we may not win with snead

[ruready]

I am plenty old enough to know that Boo is counter productive to any team. Yes you have the right to boo...and I have the right to say that old men booing teenage boys (or close to it) are bad fans. You can want players to play better without booing. If you want to be critical...fine...I am critical too...but I don't boo my college team, and I have the right to think that if you do....you are a bad fan. Think of it this way.... you boo to display your disgruntleness with the team.... I call you a bad fan by expressing my disgruntleness of bad behavior expressed to young men. You tell me the difference.... other than mine seems more mature. (notice I am not yelling, cussing, or booing) like I heard at the game in public. Its funny.... and I am accused of being immature because I question some actions of what appears to be past their prime over weight men who could no more do what they are currently booing actions that were displayed towards these young men. FYI... I am 43.
Sorry.... I am defending my team...and team mates. I am just built that way. By no way am I saying our team is beyond critism.... it is the way many are doing it.... that is what I object to. I do not appoligize for defending what I consider my family. If you sit by me...and boo my boy...then guess what? We got a problem.

ruready,

There are freshman qb's playing better than Snead. And now because people boo, they are also fat? How old are you?

I never said I wanted Snead to fail. Just b/c someone boos, it doesn't mean they are giving up or want someone to fail. That's moronic. Usually when someone boos, it means they are not happening with the current state of things and want them to get better. Yep, that sounds like giving up and wanting Snead to fail.

Come to think of it. I don't think I booed either. But I think someone has the right to do so without being called the worst fan.

And just b/c I'm not happy with Snead doesn't mean I'm giving up on him. I saw the last 6 games last year. I know what he's capable of. But he's not playing up to his abilities. I'll boo if I want.

Good thing I'm not a mod.

[lewindha]

Well I'm 31 and not overweight, so I'll just concede that you are smarter and more mature. So sorry to have upset you. What makes us both immature is that we are actually having an argument over the internet about football.

[REBEL13]

19 yds in the first half... BOOOO-MUTHA FN-BOOOOO!!!!!

Snead will be fine and will get plenty of cheers. We're supposed to be a top 25 caliber team and 19 yds in the first half deserves booo's. Sorry if it hurts your feelings but 19 yds in the first half?!? BOOOO

I keep editing because I, too, feel that the boo's are not the best way to express your displeasure with the team. You should come to a message board and *beep* and moan about them, instead!! jk

I understand that they're not professional athletes, but they are in college to learn how to succeed in life and handle life's stresses. If these guys make it to the league they'll probably hear some boo's on occasion. It comes with the territory. I believe these guys are working hard and preparing to win, and I'm not one that believes the season is a disappointment. We've lost to two GOOD teams. We'll win some games and I hope some are against GOOD teams.

A fan that buys a ticket or season tickets (like I have), should be able to express emotions that correspond to how "their" team is playing. It's ok to cheer and scream and jump up and down all day if we're winning, but we must subdue our energy and stay quiet when things aren't going our way? That's stupid. I paid for my tickets and I refuse to stay jolly and cheerful when the team sux. Let's just hope things turn around and the boo-ing will stop. I promise!

[jbreb1964]

Don't get stressed out about Snead. He'll do better against UAB, for Christ's sake they really Suk!

Coach Nutt will get us back on track next week! Yes Snead has problems but Nutt can get it fixed this weekend. We won't be facing an SEC rush so I think his nerves will settle down. You realize that we have the best motivational coach in the country.

C'mon Rebs let our leader coach!

[spudhog]

Then, I'm the worst fan ever. Because I want a qb who was touted as the top nfl qb prospect in college by some to play like the top nfl qb prospect?

He didn't look great against Memphis or SE LA. Explain that?

So I can ONLY cheer them when they're doing well, but keep my mouth shut when they're doing bad?

Let me tell you something. I have been an Ole Miss fan my entire life. I can remember going to football games at the age of 2. I have 2 degrees from Ole Miss for which I am still paying for in the form of loans. I am a member of the Alumni Association and every d*** time that student calls me asking for money, I give what I can.

Don't tell me I'm a bad fan b/c I want my team to do better and criticize some of the players. Those guys are getting a free education to play football. Did I get a free education? No, I'm 20 grand in the hole for mine.

Unless their scholly money can be docked for not playing well, then they should be able to take the criticism. It's not like they don't know they're playing crappy.

Booing an amateur athlete is selfish, stupid and downright wrong. These young men/women are given scholarships because someone of authority deems them worthy of that.

You chose to take loans, donate and etc. That is your right and free choice. Snead was given an opportunity for a free education and he took that. He's apparently trying very hard to perform well on the field. As anyone with eyes can see, HE'S NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM.

If you want to go boo a professional, that is one thing. But I am like Mike Gundy on booing someone like Snead. He's seemingly doing everything right off the field and etc. So he's not the best qb in the country, there are larger crimes being committed.

If a player is in trouble off the field, not giving it his all or just not caring, that should not be applauded. I saw a qb the other day running, plowing, and diving for extra yardage. That show's me, it was not a lack of effort or caring.

Boo a coach if you want since they are paid to win, boo the admins for getting the right people to win and boo the groundscrew guy for not fixing a divit. But don't boo amateur athlete's. It's a privilege to attend football games and cheer for a team, not a right.

If you don't want to cheer that's fine. But to boo a collegiate player for giving his all???????? Something I don't and hope to never understand.

[LCW]

As I said, I saw Snead throw a block (against Bama) that was vicious...was on a Wild Rebel play. That doesn't sound like a wuss to me.

Let's move on from last Saturday.

Rebs 38
Blazers 3

[spudhog]

Then, I'm the worst fan ever. Because I want a qb who was touted as the top nfl qb prospect in college by some to play like the top nfl qb prospect?

He didn't look great against Memphis or SE LA. Explain that?

So I can ONLY cheer them when they're doing well, but keep my mouth shut when they're doing bad?

Let me tell you something. I have been an Ole Miss fan my entire life. I can remember going to football games at the age of 2. I have 2 degrees from Ole Miss for which I am still paying for in the form of loans. I am a member of the Alumni Association and every d*** time that student calls me asking for money, I give what I can.

Don't tell me I'm a bad fan b/c I want my team to do better and criticize some of the players. Those guys are getting a free education to play football. Did I get a free education? No, I'm 20 grand in the hole for mine.

Unless their scholly money can be docked for not playing well, then they should be able to take the criticism. It's not like they don't know they're playing crappy.

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-foo ... hey-are-us

Keep booing. It seems to have a positive effect.

[lewindha]

Then, I'm the worst fan ever. Because I want a qb who was touted as the top nfl qb prospect in college by some to play like the top nfl qb prospect?

He didn't look great against Memphis or SE LA. Explain that?

So I can ONLY cheer them when they're doing well, but keep my mouth shut when they're doing bad?

Let me tell you something. I have been an Ole Miss fan my entire life. I can remember going to football games at the age of 2. I have 2 degrees from Ole Miss for which I am still paying for in the form of loans. I am a member of the Alumni Association and every d*** time that student calls me asking for money, I give what I can.

Don't tell me I'm a bad fan b/c I want my team to do better and criticize some of the players. Those guys are getting a free education to play football. Did I get a free education? No, I'm 20 grand in the hole for mine.

Unless their scholly money can be docked for not playing well, then they should be able to take the criticism. It's not like they don't know they're playing crappy.

Booing an amateur athlete is selfish, stupid and downright wrong. These young men/women are given scholarships because someone of authority deems them worthy of that.

You chose to take loans, donate and etc. That is your right and free choice. Snead was given an opportunity for a free education and he took that. He's apparently trying very hard to perform well on the field. As anyone with eyes can see, HE'S NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM.

If you want to go boo a professional, that is one thing. But I am like Mike Gundy on booing someone like Snead. He's seemingly doing everything right off the field and etc. So he's not the best qb in the country, there are larger crimes being committed.

If a player is in trouble off the field, not giving it his all or just not caring, that should not be applauded. I saw a qb the other day running, plowing, and diving for extra yardage. That show's me, it was not a lack of effort or caring.

Boo a coach if you want since they are paid to win, boo the admins for getting the right people to win and boo the groundscrew guy for not fixing a divit. But don't boo amateur athlete's. It's a privilege to attend football games and cheer for a team, not a right.

If you don't want to cheer that's fine. But to boo a collegiate player for giving his all???????? Something I don't and hope to never understand.

I didn't choose to take loans. I had to, or there was no education for me. I don't see how booing is selfish. Show me where I said Snead wasn't doing the right things off the field. Show me where I said I didn't believe they were working hard. Show me where I said Snead shouldn't play again( I did say bench him a little for UAB, or don't bench him and pass EVERY play).

So because these kids are given free educations for something they are born with, we can't criticize?

[spudhog]

Then, I'm the worst fan ever. Because I want a qb who was touted as the top nfl qb prospect in college by some to play like the top nfl qb prospect?

He didn't look great against Memphis or SE LA. Explain that?

So I can ONLY cheer them when they're doing well, but keep my mouth shut when they're doing bad?

Let me tell you something. I have been an Ole Miss fan my entire life. I can remember going to football games at the age of 2. I have 2 degrees from Ole Miss for which I am still paying for in the form of loans. I am a member of the Alumni Association and every d*** time that student calls me asking for money, I give what I can.

Don't tell me I'm a bad fan b/c I want my team to do better and criticize some of the players. Those guys are getting a free education to play football. Did I get a free education? No, I'm 20 grand in the hole for mine.

Unless their scholly money can be docked for not playing well, then they should be able to take the criticism. It's not like they don't know they're playing crappy.

Booing an amateur athlete is selfish, stupid and downright wrong. These young men/women are given scholarships because someone of authority deems them worthy of that.

You chose to take loans, donate and etc. That is your right and free choice. Snead was given an opportunity for a free education and he took that. He's apparently trying very hard to perform well on the field. As anyone with eyes can see, HE'S NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM.

If you want to go boo a professional, that is one thing. But I am like Mike Gundy on booing someone like Snead. He's seemingly doing everything right off the field and etc. So he's not the best qb in the country, there are larger crimes being committed.

If a player is in trouble off the field, not giving it his all or just not caring, that should not be applauded. I saw a qb the other day running, plowing, and diving for extra yardage. That show's me, it was not a lack of effort or caring.

Boo a coach if you want since they are paid to win, boo the admins for getting the right people to win and boo the groundscrew guy for not fixing a divit. But don't boo amateur athlete's. It's a privilege to attend football games and cheer for a team, not a right.

If you don't want to cheer that's fine. But to boo a collegiate player for giving his all???????? Something I don't and hope to never understand.

I didn't choose to take loans. I had to, or there was no education for me. I don't see how booing is selfish. Show me where I said Snead wasn't doing the right things off the field. Show me where I said I didn't believe they were working hard. Show me where I said Snead shouldn't play again( I did say bench him a little for UAB, or don't bench him and pass EVERY play).

So because these kids are given free educations for something they are born with, we can't criticize?

Hey, I am still paying loans too. I chose to take them much like you. It's not perfect but that doesn't mean we have to be jealous of others. It is not perfect but this world is obviously f'd up.

He got that scholly cause he worked his butt off to get it. You can be born with so much, but you eventually have to work to get really good at something.

Criticizing is ok as long as it's done with consideration. For example.

Casey "That other QB from Arkansas" was an average to below average qb at Ark. He was here for the most highly volitaile years our program has ever saw. Kid laid it on the line every game. Even when he went 3-20 against LSU in a clash of top ten teams. Even when he would throw int's with no ark player within 20 yards. Even when he got benched his senior year for his younger bro. He pushed through all of that and finished his career a winner with a great pass to beat LSU in the last seconds.

At times, he was terrible. But, he was giving it all he had. We all knew he had limitations and etc. But the coaching staff thought he was good enough for the SEC.

Kid laid it on the line every game but that obviously doesn't guarantee success. It wasn't his fault that someone gave him a scholly, thought he was good enough to perform in the SEC and could carry out their offensive gameplan.

IMO, it's the coaches responsibility to either train a player up to perform at a certain level or get someone that in there that is capale. Mistakes shouldn't go unnoticed. One can pick apart, critcize and 2nd guess from a certain perspective. Knowing that 99% of us couldn't even do what they do, 99% of them are giving it their absolute all and in the end they are amateur's. Mistakes will happen.

Snead is not the same qb as he was last year. He's missing some key wr's, oline and there seems to be some dissension in the offensive staff. What qb wouldn't struggle with that??

He is one of many on that offense not getting it done. I don't think he or any of other's need us Monday Quarterbacks to kick them while they are down by booing, making fun of their mom's (not saying you or anyone else here has done this but it has been done before) or getting on our soapbox's about the free education that they've worked hard for.

Just my opinon. I just hate seeing collegiate's booed when they are giving it their all.

[ThunderReb]

Booing an amateur athlete is selfish, stupid and downright wrong. These young men/women are given scholarships because someone of authority deems them worthy of that.

You chose to take loans, donate and etc. That is your right and free choice. Snead was given an opportunity for a free education and he took that. He's apparently trying very hard to perform well on the field. As anyone with eyes can see, HE'S NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM.

If you want to go boo a professional, that is one thing. But I am like Mike Gundy on booing someone like Snead. He's seemingly doing everything right off the field and etc. So he's not the best qb in the country, there are larger crimes being committed.

If a player is in trouble off the field, not giving it his all or just not caring, that should not be applauded. I saw a qb the other day running, plowing, and diving for extra yardage. That show's me, it was not a lack of effort or caring.

Boo a coach if you want since they are paid to win, boo the admins for getting the right people to win and boo the groundscrew guy for not fixing a divit. But don't boo amateur athlete's. It's a privilege to attend football games and cheer for a team, not a right.

If you don't want to cheer that's fine. But to boo a collegiate player for giving his all???????? Something I don't and hope to never understand.

I didn't choose to take loans. I had to, or there was no education for me. I don't see how booing is selfish. Show me where I said Snead wasn't doing the right things off the field. Show me where I said I didn't believe they were working hard. Show me where I said Snead shouldn't play again( I did say bench him a little for UAB, or don't bench him and pass EVERY play).

So because these kids are given free educations for something they are born with, we can't criticize?

Hey, I am still paying loans too. I chose to take them much like you. It's not perfect but that doesn't mean we have to be jealous of others. It is not perfect but this world is obviously f'd up.

He got that scholly cause he worked his butt off to get it. You can be born with so much, but you eventually have to work to get really good at something.

Criticizing is ok as long as it's done with consideration. For example.

Casey "That other QB from Arkansas" was an average to below average qb at Ark. He was here for the most highly volitaile years our program has ever saw. Kid laid it on the line every game. Even when he went 3-20 against LSU in a clash of top ten teams. Even when he would throw int's with no ark player within 20 yards. Even when he got benched his senior year for his younger bro. He pushed through all of that and finished his career a winner with a great pass to beat LSU in the last seconds.

At times, he was terrible. But, he was giving it all he had. We all knew he had limitations and etc. But the coaching staff thought he was good enough for the SEC.

Kid laid it on the line every game but that obviously doesn't guarantee success. It wasn't his fault that someone gave him a scholly, thought he was good enough to perform in the SEC and could carry out their offensive gameplan.

IMO, it's the coaches responsibility to either train a player up to perform at a certain level or get someone that in there that is capale. Mistakes shouldn't go unnoticed. One can pick apart, critcize and 2nd guess from a certain perspective. Knowing that 99% of us couldn't even do what they do, 99% of them are giving it their absolute all and in the end they are amateur's. Mistakes will happen.

Snead is not the same qb as he was last year. He's missing some key wr's, oline and there seems to be some dissension in the offensive staff. What qb wouldn't struggle with that??

He is one of many on that offense not getting it done. I don't think he or any of other's need us Monday Quarterbacks to kick them while they are down by booing, making fun of their mom's (not saying you or anyone else here has done this but it has been done before) or getting on our soapbox's about the free education that they've worked hard for.

Just my opinon. I just hate seeing collegiate's booed when they are giving it their all.

Good post, spud.

[lewindha]

Then, I'm the worst fan ever. Because I want a qb who was touted as the top nfl qb prospect in college by some to play like the top nfl qb prospect?

He didn't look great against Memphis or SE LA. Explain that?

So I can ONLY cheer them when they're doing well, but keep my mouth shut when they're doing bad?

Let me tell you something. I have been an Ole Miss fan my entire life. I can remember going to football games at the age of 2. I have 2 degrees from Ole Miss for which I am still paying for in the form of loans. I am a member of the Alumni Association and every d*** time that student calls me asking for money, I give what I can.

Don't tell me I'm a bad fan b/c I want my team to do better and criticize some of the players. Those guys are getting a free education to play football. Did I get a free education? No, I'm 20 grand in the hole for mine.

Unless their scholly money can be docked for not playing well, then they should be able to take the criticism. It's not like they don't know they're playing crappy.

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-foo ... hey-are-us

Keep booing. It seems to have a positive effect.

You can read my previous statement on this article on the thread that was started about his article. Thanks for reposting it for me, b/c I hadn't seen.

I would never seek Jevan or any other player out to tell them I think they suck or whatever(although there probably are some idiots that will). If they don't know it already, then they've got problems way beyond worrying about a fan criticizing them. But this is a free message board where we can come and sing the praises or criticize whomever or whatever we like. So I'll express my opinion how I see fit.

And last I checked Snead, Nutt, or any other member of the team or coaching do not call me or any of you after games to ask our opinion. So if a fan wants to voice that opinion, how else can they express unhappiness other than to boo. We can cheer, but we can't boo. Maybe we should do neither, b/c cheering could swell their egos and since we don't want to hurt their egos by booing, we wouldn't want to swell them by cheering.

That's it, Rebel fans!!! You can go to the games, but keep your trap shut!

And dissension on the offensive coaching staff? Where is this coming from? Or are you making it up just to further Arky fans' agenda?

[spudhog]

Then, I'm the worst fan ever. Because I want a qb who was touted as the top nfl qb prospect in college by some to play like the top nfl qb prospect?

He didn't look great against Memphis or SE LA. Explain that?

So I can ONLY cheer them when they're doing well, but keep my mouth shut when they're doing bad?

Let me tell you something. I have been an Ole Miss fan my entire life. I can remember going to football games at the age of 2. I have 2 degrees from Ole Miss for which I am still paying for in the form of loans. I am a member of the Alumni Association and every d*** time that student calls me asking for money, I give what I can.

Don't tell me I'm a bad fan b/c I want my team to do better and criticize some of the players. Those guys are getting a free education to play football. Did I get a free education? No, I'm 20 grand in the hole for mine.

Unless their scholly money can be docked for not playing well, then they should be able to take the criticism. It's not like they don't know they're playing crappy.

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-foo ... hey-are-us

Keep booing. It seems to have a positive effect.

You can read my previous statement on this article on the thread that was started about his article. Thanks for reposting it for me, b/c I hadn't seen.

I would never seek Jevan or any other player out to tell them I think they suck or whatever(although there probably are some idiots that will). If they don't know it already, then they've got problems way beyond worrying about a fan criticizing them. But this is a free message board where we can come and sing the praises or criticize whomever or whatever we like. So I'll express my opinion how I see fit.

And last I checked Snead, Nutt, or any other member of the team or coaching do not call me or any of you after games to ask our opinion. So if a fan wants to voice that opinion, how else can they express unhappiness other than to boo. We can cheer, but we can't boo. Maybe we should do neither, b/c cheering could swell their egos and since we don't want to hurt their egos by booing, we wouldn't want to swell them by cheering.

That's it, Rebel fans!!! You can go to the games, but keep your trap shut!

And dissension on the offensive coaching staff? Where is this coming from? Or are you making it up just to further Arky fans' agenda?

Reading the posts about who's doing the playcalling and etc. That's where I got the dissension theory ( And that's a given with OM Head Coach).

You don't cheer them for bad or make their ego's swell. But you also don't flog them for mistakes. Yes, message boards and etc are excellent for venting some fustration about the team. And there are constructive ways to show discontent towards a player/coach/team.

But you are talking about booing a amateur over a mistake/series of mistakes?????????

Listen, literally didn't go to some games here at Ark cause I sat in a section where people booed the players. It is unacceptable imo if they are giving it their all.

Snead is laying it on the line for his school, fans, coaches and family. He's not succeeding right now but it's not because he's not trying. I don't clap when Mallet throw's an incompletion or an int. But I also don't tar and feather him for it. He's my favorite teams qb. I am definitely not helping things if I boo him am I? If I am not helping I must be hurting.

Yes, you have a right to speak freely and I do too. We obviously have differing oppinions on this. I just find it classless and down right ignorant when fans boo College Athlete's. Boo someone who's actually paid to perform.

[lewindha]

a free education is payment IMO. No, it's not millions of dollars, but it's not nothing(I can show you a loan statement if you like).

[spudhog]

a free education is payment IMO. No, it's not millions of dollars, but it's not nothing(I can show you a loan statement if you like).

Told ya, I have the same statements you do too. And yes, a free education is a very large gift that far too many of them take for granted. So when I see these athlete's in trouble with the law, not making grades and appear to be unappreciative, I get very upset as well. And yes, in a perfect world we would be allowed to boo or show our displeasure towards them for throwing away such a wonderful gift.

But, these aren't hired hands. These young people excel at a craft that someone deems as valuable to them. If they aren't good enough, then someone didn't evaluate them correctly. If they don't perform up to the standards they are capable of meeting. Then the coach either needs to find a way to get that out of them or find someone else that can imo.

Snead is giving it his all. In fact, he's trying wayyyyyyyy too hard out there. That show's me he care's and imo is not tainting his scholarship offer. His not being arrested, kicking autograph seeker's away or running his teammates under the bus. He's doing the right thing during a tough time.

If he's not the man for the job, then he's not the man for the job. Not because he hasn't tried or doesn't care. His mistakes are costly and numerous. Doesn't mean he's not taking his education or football seriously.

Reason I get so into this discussion is because of what Ark had/is going through the last few years. As you've seen, fans can cross imaginary lines. Not that booing necessarily leads to planes, front page adds and foia inquiries. Simply put, it's best to positively encourage those laying on the line for those who are paying the money to watch them.

If they aren't good enough, then maybe they can take that degree someone gave them and change their families lineage by getting a good job. If they squander their chance at a free education? That's their choice and I am sure it will come back to haunt them somewhere down the line.

I don't feel sorry for the coaches necessarily. They are paid large sums of money to win. If there's somone that may possibly deserve a boo, I would let them have it (once again, I don't boo but to each his own). But not a player trying to do the right thing. Snead is doing the right thing even when he's not playing well. As a taxpayer, fan (i am not a fan of OM but if he were a hog is what I am saying) and human being. Not sure I can necessarily boo him for that.

[lewindha]

Seriously, where did I say that I don't think anyone on the team, player or coach, isn't working hard, trying hard, etc.

I understand our opinions differ on this, and I'm find with that. I take offense to being called a bad fan, classless, old and overweight, jealous(?), etc., because my opinion differs from yours.

I feel I've given the University a lot of myself. Not a lot in the big picture, but to me it's A LOT and if I had more I would gladly give it. I'm not happy with the product they are producing and I feel I should be allowed to boo if I want. You're right, I'm not flying banners, requesting phone records, etc. That is what bad, classless fans do.