that is a big problem I have with Petrino and one that I am proud to say that Nutt doesn't share. You see, the talent level to run Nutt's kind of offense is low at Ole Miss as well. So did he just go ahead and lose while trying to build his kind of offense until he recruited "the right players"? No, he made the best with what he had. Rich Rod lost Mallet largely because he wanted to run "his kind of offense" instead of adapting to the players he had available. I would much rather have a coach that can adapt schemes to the players available rather than have to have "his style of players" to win. Arkansas has some very good players, including one of the most talented QBs in the nation. Yet, they are still looking forward to having players for "petrino's type of offense". Nutt, known for offense, got to ole miss and found a team with a huge amount of defensive talent but lacking on offense. He managed to put together enough of an offense with the players he had and relied on a killer defense to win games. That's what I want. A coach who can adapt to the players available rather than one that has to have a certain skill set to run his schemes.CentralArkHog wrote:the talent level when he got here to run his kind of offense was way behind. .
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True Houston did adapt to what he had but the problem with his system is that on offense it is to dependent on a few players. As you could see when he was at Arkansas that when Matt Jones was hurt what did our offense do ? It was not anywhere close to as effective as when Matt Jones was healthy. Same with McFadden & Felix. We lost to Wisconsin partly because McFadden was not completely healthy. He had no passing offense to adapt if one of the RBs got hurt.JustBlues wrote:that is a big problem I have with Petrino and one that I am proud to say that Nutt doesn't share. You see, the talent level to run Nutt's kind of offense is low at Ole Miss as well. So did he just go ahead and lose while trying to build his kind of offense until he recruited "the right players"? No, he made the best with what he had. Rich Rod lost Mallet largely because he wanted to run "his kind of offense" instead of adapting to the players he had available. I would much rather have a coach that can adapt schemes to the players available rather than have to have "his style of players" to win. Arkansas has some very good players, including one of the most talented QBs in the nation. Yet, they are still looking forward to having players for "petrino's type of offense". Nutt, known for offense, got to ole miss and found a team with a huge amount of defensive talent but lacking on offense. He managed to put together enough of an offense with the players he had and relied on a killer defense to win games. That's what I want. A coach who can adapt to the players available rather than one that has to have a certain skill set to run his schemes.CentralArkHog wrote:the talent level when he got here to run his kind of offense was way behind. .
And as you can see from Ole Miss/Auburn game this year, when Dexter got hurt in the first quarter the offense was so easy to defense. That what I like about Petrino's offense. There are so many different weapons that BP can design the offense to adapt to these weaknesses of our opponents. I think it the long run BP will win consistently here.
BP had 7 losses in 4 years at Louisville and was one win away from playing for the National Title. That shows to me that he has the ability to get the job done.
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Misled? Dude, he left freaking Post-Its in profile player's lockers to say goodbye.........and don't get me wrong, I've personally talked with Bobby and like the guy immensely. He's the MOST down-to-earth coach I've ever met....but, he made mistakes when he left Atlanta and he will be the first to tell you that. The media only reported what the Flacon players at the time were feeling.CentralArkHog wrote:I agree that Petrino flirted with other schools. SO did Nutt. That means nothing to me. The coaches have to look out for themselves and their family so it doesnt bother me. The problem I had with Nutt was that he couldnt develop an all around offense. Sure we had 3 good years but when he was supposed to win he played not too lose.JustBlues wrote:and the entire few years he was in Louisville, he was famously flirting with other programs. I personally do not think that is a sin, but many of the arky fans who post here say that is why they didn't like Nutt.CentralArkHog wrote: Well I dont blame him for leaving Atlanta at all. He had players supporting a dog killer for sport & money. Also Deangelo Hall is a Thug as you could see when he went to Washington and put a cheap shot on an Atlanta player when they players earlier this year. So apparently Hall did not care much for Atlanta as a whole.
Funny thing is about Petrino leaving Atlanta, It is not okay for Petrino to leave 13 games into the season but it is okay for Mr. Blank (Atlanta owner) to fire a legendary coach Dan Reeves 13 games into the season. Blank complaining about Petrino is hypocritical to me.
Petrino First HCing job was at Louisville. All the other jobs he was assistants so to me that is irrelevant.
Ole miss should have finished better than 8-4 this year. You had the talent along with the schedule. Nutt gets so dependent on a fews players so when one of them gets hurt he seems to not have another option.
i.e. When Dexter got hurt against Auburn, the offense looked barely average.
I also have moved past it. I normally will not come on your guys board and knock Houston at all. Houston is your coach now. The only reason I said anything is how the media misled people about Petrino.
Good luck in the Cotton and show the Big XII what the best conference really is.
You say that your problem with Nutt's offense is "dependent on too few players" and yet you like Petrino even though he is dependent on players he doesn't even have yet? If he can deign an offense to adapt to the weaknesses of the opponent, why hasn't he? You said before it is because he doesn't have to players to execute his offense. If his offense is so adaptable, why can't it work with the players he has?CentralArkHog wrote:True Houston did adapt to what he had but the problem with his system is that on offense it is to dependent on a few players. As you could see when he was at Arkansas that when Matt Jones was hurt what did our offense do ? It was not anywhere close to as effective as when Matt Jones was healthy. Same with McFadden & Felix. We lost to Wisconsin partly because McFadden was not completely healthy. He had no passing offense to adapt if one of the RBs got hurt.JustBlues wrote:that is a big problem I have with Petrino and one that I am proud to say that Nutt doesn't share. You see, the talent level to run Nutt's kind of offense is low at Ole Miss as well. So did he just go ahead and lose while trying to build his kind of offense until he recruited "the right players"? No, he made the best with what he had. Rich Rod lost Mallet largely because he wanted to run "his kind of offense" instead of adapting to the players he had available. I would much rather have a coach that can adapt schemes to the players available rather than have to have "his style of players" to win. Arkansas has some very good players, including one of the most talented QBs in the nation. Yet, they are still looking forward to having players for "petrino's type of offense". Nutt, known for offense, got to ole miss and found a team with a huge amount of defensive talent but lacking on offense. He managed to put together enough of an offense with the players he had and relied on a killer defense to win games. That's what I want. A coach who can adapt to the players available rather than one that has to have a certain skill set to run his schemes.CentralArkHog wrote:the talent level when he got here to run his kind of offense was way behind. .
And as you can see from Ole Miss/Auburn game this year, when Dexter got hurt in the first quarter the offense was so easy to defense. That what I like about Petrino's offense. There are so many different weapons that BP can design the offense to adapt to these weaknesses of our opponents. I think it the long run BP will win consistently here.
BP had 7 losses in 4 years at Louisville and was one win away from playing for the National Title. That shows to me that he has the ability to get the job done.
Respectfully Disagree on a couple of accounts.JustBlues wrote:that is a big problem I have with Petrino and one that I am proud to say that Nutt doesn't share. You see, the talent level to run Nutt's kind of offense is low at Ole Miss as well. So did he just go ahead and lose while trying to build his kind of offense until he recruited "the right players"? No, he made the best with what he had. Rich Rod lost Mallet largely because he wanted to run "his kind of offense" instead of adapting to the players he had available. I would much rather have a coach that can adapt schemes to the players available rather than have to have "his style of players" to win. Arkansas has some very good players, including one of the most talented QBs in the nation. Yet, they are still looking forward to having players for "petrino's type of offense". Nutt, known for offense, got to ole miss and found a team with a huge amount of defensive talent but lacking on offense. He managed to put together enough of an offense with the players he had and relied on a killer defense to win games. That's what I want. A coach who can adapt to the players available rather than one that has to have a certain skill set to run his schemes.CentralArkHog wrote:the talent level when he got here to run his kind of offense was way behind. .
First, let's deal with Nutt. Nutt inherited a lot of good offensive weapons that greatly fit into his system. He had a nice qb, good offensive line, dynamic wr's and some decent rb's. Taylor made for him and his system imo. He also inherited a good defense. Nutt loves to play field position, defense and etc. So, as far as ineritance is concerned, Nutt came over to a good situation for himself.
Petrino did adjust his style quite a bit last year. You look at our offense from last year to this year, they are very different. He had a lot of "his type of players" last season. They were just all freshmen. This year, they were all a bit more experienced and it showed. Offensively, we improved a lot.
While Nutt was here at Ark, we ran significantly different systems. It usually was predicated on the qb.
Petrino does go about things a bit different. IMO, he was/is trying to establish his way of doing things. He has a system that has been very productive on the collegiate level and he believe's in it. He believe's that his way will lead to a tremendous amount of success. He didn't sacrifice win's last season to get his point across. But, he was also looking at the bigger picture.
Petrino wasn't brought into Ark to win 7 his first year. He was brought in to eventually win a SEC championship. You guys/gals know better as to why Nutt was brought in so I won't make an uneducated remark on that.
Nutt is very good at adapting to his circumstances. To me, that was one of his downfall's here at Ark. Always having to adapt, modify and change what we were doing on offense and defense. The revolving door's at the coordinator positions will speak for that. If he can be more consistant with his ways at OM, then he should be just fine.
I believe Petrino has a way in doing things that are very different than Nutt's. From their on the field style's to the way they break the huddle. I think each school is happy with who each has got running their programs now. They go about doing things differently and time will tell if one is wrong/right or they are both right/wrong.
If you think that Nutt inherited a good offensive line, then you haven't followed Ole Miss football very closely. He inherited a couple of good linemen, but overall the line was very lacking in depth and did not look like an SEC offensive line at all. Most seriously, the center position was a big concern and it took some creativity to fill that very important position. I consider Mike Markuson one of the best line coaches in the game and he has done wonders considering what he was given. Since one of the key things a head coach does is hire assistants who can make a difference, that is one area where I give Nutt an A+ since he came to ole miss. I particularly consider Tyrone Nix, Markuson, Chris Vaughn, Derrick Nix, Terry Price and Don Decker to be top notch coaches and I worry constantly about losing them.spudhog wrote:Respectfully Disagree on a couple of accounts.JustBlues wrote:that is a big problem I have with Petrino and one that I am proud to say that Nutt doesn't share. You see, the talent level to run Nutt's kind of offense is low at Ole Miss as well. So did he just go ahead and lose while trying to build his kind of offense until he recruited "the right players"? No, he made the best with what he had. Rich Rod lost Mallet largely because he wanted to run "his kind of offense" instead of adapting to the players he had available. I would much rather have a coach that can adapt schemes to the players available rather than have to have "his style of players" to win. Arkansas has some very good players, including one of the most talented QBs in the nation. Yet, they are still looking forward to having players for "petrino's type of offense". Nutt, known for offense, got to ole miss and found a team with a huge amount of defensive talent but lacking on offense. He managed to put together enough of an offense with the players he had and relied on a killer defense to win games. That's what I want. A coach who can adapt to the players available rather than one that has to have a certain skill set to run his schemes.CentralArkHog wrote:the talent level when he got here to run his kind of offense was way behind. .
First, let's deal with Nutt. Nutt inherited a lot of good offensive weapons that greatly fit into his system. He had a nice qb, good offensive line, dynamic wr's and some decent rb's. Taylor made for him and his system imo. He also inherited a good defense. Nutt loves to play field position, defense and etc. So, as far as ineritance is concerned, Nutt came over to a good situation for himself.
Petrino did adjust his style quite a bit last year. You look at our offense from last year to this year, they are very different. He had a lot of "his type of players" last season. They were just all freshmen. This year, they were all a bit more experienced and it showed. Offensively, we improved a lot.
While Nutt was here at Ark, we ran significantly different systems. It usually was predicated on the qb.
Petrino does go about things a bit different. IMO, he was/is trying to establish his way of doing things. He has a system that has been very productive on the collegiate level and he believe's in it. He believe's that his way will lead to a tremendous amount of success. He didn't sacrifice win's last season to get his point across. But, he was also looking at the bigger picture.
Petrino wasn't brought into Ark to win 7 his first year. He was brought in to eventually win a SEC championship. You guys/gals know better as to why Nutt was brought in so I won't make an uneducated remark on that.
Nutt is very good at adapting to his circumstances. To me, that was one of his downfall's here at Ark. Always having to adapt, modify and change what we were doing on offense and defense. The revolving door's at the coordinator positions will speak for that. If he can be more consistant with his ways at OM, then he should be just fine.
I believe Petrino has a way in doing things that are very different than Nutt's. From their on the field style's to the way they break the huddle. I think each school is happy with who each has got running their programs now. They go about doing things differently and time will tell if one is wrong/right or they are both right/wrong.
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Glad thereis a little intelligent back and forth here...but for those criticizing the initial post and few humorous posts that followed...read the other hot threads in this forum and know that I was simply spotlighting the glass house you live in over in the ozark state. Arky of all fan bases should never criticize a coach for looking or leaving.

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Absolutely. I have not or never will criticize any coach regardless for exploring other options. We all would do the same thing ourselves so any fan or media member criticizing someone for looking to improve their imcome or job situation is missing the big picture.rebelliousb wrote:Glad thereis a little intelligent back and forth here...but for those criticizing the initial post and few humorous posts that followed...read the other hot threads in this forum and know that I was simply spotlighting the glass house you live in over in the ozark state. Arky of all fan bases should never criticize a coach for looking or leaving.
Most bad offensive line's don't have 1st round draft pick's on it. Not saying that Markuson didn't coach them up or make them better. But, there was definitely talent there. Markuson is pretty good. He has a different mentality about the oline. Seems to work.JustBlues wrote:If you think that Nutt inherited a good offensive line, then you haven't followed Ole Miss football very closely. He inherited a couple of good linemen, but overall the line was very lacking in depth and did not look like an SEC offensive line at all. Most seriously, the center position was a big concern and it took some creativity to fill that very important position. I consider Mike Markuson one of the best line coaches in the game and he has done wonders considering what he was given. Since one of the key things a head coach does is hire assistants who can make a difference, that is one area where I give Nutt an A+ since he came to ole miss. I particularly consider Tyrone Nix, Markuson, Chris Vaughn, Derrick Nix, Terry Price and Don Decker to be top notch coaches and I worry constantly about losing them.spudhog wrote:Respectfully Disagree on a couple of accounts.JustBlues wrote: that is a big problem I have with Petrino and one that I am proud to say that Nutt doesn't share. You see, the talent level to run Nutt's kind of offense is low at Ole Miss as well. So did he just go ahead and lose while trying to build his kind of offense until he recruited "the right players"? No, he made the best with what he had. Rich Rod lost Mallet largely because he wanted to run "his kind of offense" instead of adapting to the players he had available. I would much rather have a coach that can adapt schemes to the players available rather than have to have "his style of players" to win. Arkansas has some very good players, including one of the most talented QBs in the nation. Yet, they are still looking forward to having players for "petrino's type of offense". Nutt, known for offense, got to ole miss and found a team with a huge amount of defensive talent but lacking on offense. He managed to put together enough of an offense with the players he had and relied on a killer defense to win games. That's what I want. A coach who can adapt to the players available rather than one that has to have a certain skill set to run his schemes.
First, let's deal with Nutt. Nutt inherited a lot of good offensive weapons that greatly fit into his system. He had a nice qb, good offensive line, dynamic wr's and some decent rb's. Taylor made for him and his system imo. He also inherited a good defense. Nutt loves to play field position, defense and etc. So, as far as ineritance is concerned, Nutt came over to a good situation for himself.
Petrino did adjust his style quite a bit last year. You look at our offense from last year to this year, they are very different. He had a lot of "his type of players" last season. They were just all freshmen. This year, they were all a bit more experienced and it showed. Offensively, we improved a lot.
While Nutt was here at Ark, we ran significantly different systems. It usually was predicated on the qb.
Petrino does go about things a bit different. IMO, he was/is trying to establish his way of doing things. He has a system that has been very productive on the collegiate level and he believe's in it. He believe's that his way will lead to a tremendous amount of success. He didn't sacrifice win's last season to get his point across. But, he was also looking at the bigger picture.
Petrino wasn't brought into Ark to win 7 his first year. He was brought in to eventually win a SEC championship. You guys/gals know better as to why Nutt was brought in so I won't make an uneducated remark on that.
Nutt is very good at adapting to his circumstances. To me, that was one of his downfall's here at Ark. Always having to adapt, modify and change what we were doing on offense and defense. The revolving door's at the coordinator positions will speak for that. If he can be more consistant with his ways at OM, then he should be just fine.
I believe Petrino has a way in doing things that are very different than Nutt's. From their on the field style's to the way they break the huddle. I think each school is happy with who each has got running their programs now. They go about doing things differently and time will tell if one is wrong/right or they are both right/wrong.
I wouldn't worry about losing any of them beside's Nix. The rest of the gang have been with Nutt pretty much his whole coaching career.
I said that he had a couple of good linemen, but it takes more than a couple of good linemen to move on offense. By the way, Nutt's staff talked that first round draft pick into staying his senior year so they certainly get credit for his development. He didn't exactly fall into their lap. They also had to fill in some serious oline holes with whatever they could find as well. They also took a makeshift defensive backfield and made it one of the best defensive backfields in the nation (except for two games that we prefer not to talk about around here). At any rate, we're please with him so far. I do think that the next SEC team that goes coach shopping has a good chance of getting Gary Patterson who is quite possibly the best coach in the country and who I think would love to be in the SEC and would tap dance all the way from Fort Worth to get $2.5 million a year.spudhog wrote:Most bad offensive line's don't have 1st round draft pick's on it. Not saying that Markuson didn't coach them up or make them better. But, there was definitely talent there. Markuson is pretty good. He has a different mentality about the oline. Seems to work.JustBlues wrote:If you think that Nutt inherited a good offensive line, then you haven't followed Ole Miss football very closely. He inherited a couple of good linemen, but overall the line was very lacking in depth and did not look like an SEC offensive line at all. Most seriously, the center position was a big concern and it took some creativity to fill that very important position. I consider Mike Markuson one of the best line coaches in the game and he has done wonders considering what he was given. Since one of the key things a head coach does is hire assistants who can make a difference, that is one area where I give Nutt an A+ since he came to ole miss. I particularly consider Tyrone Nix, Markuson, Chris Vaughn, Derrick Nix, Terry Price and Don Decker to be top notch coaches and I worry constantly about losing them.spudhog wrote: Respectfully Disagree on a couple of accounts.
First, let's deal with Nutt. Nutt inherited a lot of good offensive weapons that greatly fit into his system. He had a nice qb, good offensive line, dynamic wr's and some decent rb's. Taylor made for him and his system imo. He also inherited a good defense. Nutt loves to play field position, defense and etc. So, as far as ineritance is concerned, Nutt came over to a good situation for himself.
Petrino did adjust his style quite a bit last year. You look at our offense from last year to this year, they are very different. He had a lot of "his type of players" last season. They were just all freshmen. This year, they were all a bit more experienced and it showed. Offensively, we improved a lot.
While Nutt was here at Ark, we ran significantly different systems. It usually was predicated on the qb.
Petrino does go about things a bit different. IMO, he was/is trying to establish his way of doing things. He has a system that has been very productive on the collegiate level and he believe's in it. He believe's that his way will lead to a tremendous amount of success. He didn't sacrifice win's last season to get his point across. But, he was also looking at the bigger picture.
Petrino wasn't brought into Ark to win 7 his first year. He was brought in to eventually win a SEC championship. You guys/gals know better as to why Nutt was brought in so I won't make an uneducated remark on that.
Nutt is very good at adapting to his circumstances. To me, that was one of his downfall's here at Ark. Always having to adapt, modify and change what we were doing on offense and defense. The revolving door's at the coordinator positions will speak for that. If he can be more consistant with his ways at OM, then he should be just fine.
I believe Petrino has a way in doing things that are very different than Nutt's. From their on the field style's to the way they break the huddle. I think each school is happy with who each has got running their programs now. They go about doing things differently and time will tell if one is wrong/right or they are both right/wrong.
I wouldn't worry about losing any of them beside's Nix. The rest of the gang have been with Nutt pretty much his whole coaching career.
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I'm going to leave BP alone for now. As far as I see it, I'll be glad when Nutt stops talking to other schools. I understand that you want some things here and there but seriously.
I won't be happy when he stops talking to other schools because that will mean he has stopped winning. As long as he wins, schools will contact him.manningesk wrote:I'm going to leave BP alone for now. As far as I see it, I'll be glad when Nutt stops talking to other schools. I understand that you want some things here and there but seriously.
What he said...JustBlues wrote:I won't be happy when he stops talking to other schools because that will mean he has stopped winning. As long as he wins, schools will contact him.manningesk wrote:I'm going to leave BP alone for now. As far as I see it, I'll be glad when Nutt stops talking to other schools. I understand that you want some things here and there but seriously.
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Before you say anything, I have moved past Nutt. My teams coach is Petrino.
SO you give is grief saying we havent moved past Nutt but you attack our coach. Which if you look at this coaching history there is only one coaching he left in less than 2 years and that was Atlanta. He Coached Louisville for like 6 years so I guess he didnt just run out of town.[/quote]
He was at L'Ville for 4 seasons, not 'like 6': Before L'Ville he was at Auburn for a season; I won't knock him there b/c can't blame him for the jump from OC to HC, but prior to that he had several 1-2 yr stints over a 20 year period.[/quote]
But cut him some slack...after all he did leave a very thoughtful note when he left his team hanging in Atlanta in the dark of the night! What a stand up guy![/quote]
Well I dont blame him for leaving Atlanta at all. He had players supporting a dog killer for sport & money. Also Deangelo Hall is a Thug as you could see when he went to Washington and put a cheap shot on an Atlanta player when they players earlier this year. So apparently Hall did not care much for Atlanta as a whole.
Funny thing is about Petrino leaving Atlanta, It is not okay for Petrino to leave 13 games into the season but it is okay for Mr. Blank (Atlanta owner) to fire a legendary coach Dan Reeves 13 games into the season. Blank complaining about Petrino is hypocritical to me.
Petrino First HCing job was at Louisville. All the other jobs he was assistants so to me that is irrelevant.[/quote]
As a born and bred Atlantan, I take exception to this statement. He left the Falcons just a DAY after reassuring his owner, the media, and his players that he was there to stay, come what may. No one had an inkling that he was going to leave, and it put the entire team further into a tailspin.
He showed that he is ENTIRELY CLASSLESS and a first rate LOSER! Ya'll will not have any warning at arky when he does the same to your pathetic, inbred 2nd rate program! As for you trying to defend and/or minimize his actions, go F*ck yourself and ur momma! I do not come over on your board and vent about his deplorable actions, so don't come over here trying to justify why your traitorous HC is soooo much better than the quality Coach that ya'll dumba$$es ran off!
Before you say anything, I have moved past Nutt. My teams coach is Petrino.
SO you give is grief saying we havent moved past Nutt but you attack our coach. Which if you look at this coaching history there is only one coaching he left in less than 2 years and that was Atlanta. He Coached Louisville for like 6 years so I guess he didnt just run out of town.[/quote]
He was at L'Ville for 4 seasons, not 'like 6': Before L'Ville he was at Auburn for a season; I won't knock him there b/c can't blame him for the jump from OC to HC, but prior to that he had several 1-2 yr stints over a 20 year period.[/quote]
But cut him some slack...after all he did leave a very thoughtful note when he left his team hanging in Atlanta in the dark of the night! What a stand up guy![/quote]
Well I dont blame him for leaving Atlanta at all. He had players supporting a dog killer for sport & money. Also Deangelo Hall is a Thug as you could see when he went to Washington and put a cheap shot on an Atlanta player when they players earlier this year. So apparently Hall did not care much for Atlanta as a whole.
Funny thing is about Petrino leaving Atlanta, It is not okay for Petrino to leave 13 games into the season but it is okay for Mr. Blank (Atlanta owner) to fire a legendary coach Dan Reeves 13 games into the season. Blank complaining about Petrino is hypocritical to me.
Petrino First HCing job was at Louisville. All the other jobs he was assistants so to me that is irrelevant.[/quote]
As a born and bred Atlantan, I take exception to this statement. He left the Falcons just a DAY after reassuring his owner, the media, and his players that he was there to stay, come what may. No one had an inkling that he was going to leave, and it put the entire team further into a tailspin.
He showed that he is ENTIRELY CLASSLESS and a first rate LOSER! Ya'll will not have any warning at arky when he does the same to your pathetic, inbred 2nd rate program! As for you trying to defend and/or minimize his actions, go F*ck yourself and ur momma! I do not come over on your board and vent about his deplorable actions, so don't come over here trying to justify why your traitorous HC is soooo much better than the quality Coach that ya'll dumba$$es ran off!

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