check out this long and lengthy thread regarding the cheating involving Auburn and Cam Newton and MSU... Wow is all i can say.
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/mess ... p=22778676
This is a must read for anyone interested in SEC recruiting.
How deep does the rabbit hole go??
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This is insane.
Auburn kicked out of the SEC? Crazy!
Auburn kicked out of the SEC? Crazy!
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That'll never happen.lewindha wrote:This is insane.
Auburn kicked out of the SEC? Crazy!
after reading this I can see how this whole scandal could easily topple the whole SEC as we know it today. Especially since the SEC office is in the state of Bama.GoneToOxford wrote:That'll never happen.lewindha wrote:This is insane.
Auburn kicked out of the SEC? Crazy!
Later,
Hagar
Hagar
I can't believe that nobody on this message board has the attention span to read and TRY to understand this...if you will I am sure that you can see this can be devastating to the SEC.Hagar wrote:after reading this I can see how this whole scandal could easily topple the whole SEC as we know it today. Especially since the SEC office is in the state of Bama.GoneToOxford wrote:That'll never happen.lewindha wrote:This is insane.
Auburn kicked out of the SEC? Crazy!
Later,
Hagar
Hagar
Read it and I agree, if true, this could have far reaching ramifications.Hagar wrote:Hagar wrote:
I can't believe that nobody on this message board has the attention span to read and TRY to understand this...if you will I am sure that you can see this can be devastating to the SEC.
However, the SEC is a powerful organization, devastating is a strong word. I can see the SEC making changes, but I don't think it will be brought down by one schools scandalous ways.
Hell, Bama has been doing it for years. How they averted the Death Penalty a few years ago is beyond me.
Randy
it is the Bama State Legislature and the involvement of the Bama Supreme courts involvement and the fact that the Home office for the SEC is in Alabama that has got to be worrying everyone...U of Bama was the cheating entity that was making it possible for Auburn to be caught this time. I mean if Bama was making it possible thru legal channels... Auburn was doing it so flagrantly they got caught. In any event it is definitely a black eye for the SEC.rewalters wrote:Read it and I agree, if true, this could have far reaching ramifications.Hagar wrote:Hagar wrote:
I can't believe that nobody on this message board has the attention span to read and TRY to understand this...if you will I am sure that you can see this can be devastating to the SEC.
However, the SEC is a powerful organization, devastating is a strong word. I can see the SEC making changes, but I don't think it will be brought down by one schools scandalous ways.
Hell, Bama has been doing it for years. How they averted the Death Penalty a few years ago is beyond me.
Later,
Hagar
Hagar
this whole thread explains how Bama was able to "AFFORD" Sabans price tag. If you can guarantee no NCAA involvement and you have the legislature and the state supreme court protecting the gaming industry's indiscretions, it is like having a unlimited deep pocket that never runs out of money.
Later,
Hagar
Hagar
But neither Alabama team can afford to BUY the FBI.Hagar wrote:this whole thread explains how Bama was able to "AFFORD" Sabans price tag. If you can guarantee no NCAA involvement and you have the legislature and the state supreme court protecting the gaming industry's indiscretions, it is like having a unlimited deep pocket that never runs out of money.
Very interesting article and what a way to funnel money to the players by way of casino cards. I think if this is found to be true auburn should get the death penalty and the sec will be hammered by everyone for the win at all cost attitude. But I think the biggest black eye is on the NCAA and the weakness that they govern college football and truth be told if the FBI investigated the NCAA concerning the BCS there is no telling where they would find money being shuffled too.
Bottom line the NCAA and the institutions ride their players top to bottom and as they go so does the money.
Bottom line the NCAA and the institutions ride their players top to bottom and as they go so does the money.
I really hope that they look into our trusty officiating crews too. With that much money flying around and as many bogus calls as we've seen ... well they really need to give them a good look. I have asked several players if it's just me or do the refs favor bama and au. Every answer is "You have no idea" or "If you only knew".
It was pretty cool reading about Nutt not only not cooperating with au but also relaying the info to Sexton. That was the stand-up thing to do IMO.
It was pretty cool reading about Nutt not only not cooperating with au but also relaying the info to Sexton. That was the stand-up thing to do IMO.
Just after this hit the wires, RollTideTA of TideSports.com posts an e-mail he received from someone “in the know”. The e-mail contained the following:
“…The Feds have tape from wire taps made on McGregor and other prominent Auburn boosters from their investigation. The Newton's were just shopping their talent's to the wrong people at the wrong time and thus there is hard evidence available that incriminates everyone involved. It's only a matter of time that all of this information becomes public.
FBI found out about Cam before the NCAA did while wiretapping Milton McGregor and others related to the casino/bingo indictments. They uncovered conversations with McGregor, Auburn and Cam's uncle in Michigan. McGregor paid $250K to the uncle through a PAC and other hidden entities and the uncle funnelled the money to Cecil.
The FBI gave this information to the NCAA sometime after the indictments were handed down. They had to sit on the information for 6 months until the grand jury indicted the men and women in the gambling deal. All of the wiretap information was sealed and that is why the delay in investigating. The NCAA had to go to Miss St to see if Cecil had solicited money from them as well. That is why Miss St is involved. They are basically connecting all of the dots. Miss St may be cleared because they told Cecil no. He then went to Auburn. The offer was on the table from McGregor but Cam wanted to play at Miss St and not Auburn. When Miss St declined to pay him, he went to where the money was... hence the comment, "The money was too much." The FBI met with the Miss St coaches, John Bond and Bill Bell today to get their official statements.
Later in the day, ESPN reported Bill Bell received text from someone purportedly to represent the Newton Family outlining the payment schedule the family wanted in order to have his son play at MSU. Bell also handed over tape recordings of Cecil saying “'Dan Mullen is going to have to put a smile on my face if he thinks he's going to get my son” – substantiating the “Make Me Smile” comments rumoured shortly after MSU went public.
quote:
The FBI has been investigating Colonial Bank and Louder for a number
of possible violations in the financial market crash which are
unrelated to AU. Part of the investigation involved gambling fraud
between McGregor and Colonial Bank. Something called the Rico Statute
allowed the justice department to set up wiretaps on Colonial Bank.
On the wiretaps the FBI found major AU recruiting infractions involving
Louder, McGregor, Dye, Trooper, boosters and others.
Here’s what they say the FBI has on tape and can prove AU did:
• The people above are on tape explaining who they paid and how they did it.
• It involves many AU players
• Providing unmarked Colonial Bank ATM cards to players to withdraw
money from secret accounts.
• Giving “slot machine cards” to the players, which now involves the
Alabama Gaming Commission.
• Provided improper loans to some of the families in our last and
current recruiting class.
• The NCAA “strongly” recommended that AU sit Cam for GA. game because
of the mounting evidence.
• President Grogue wanted to sit Cam but was overruled by Louder and
the Board of Trustees.
• Coach Chizik knows none of this and has been lied to by Jacobs.
• The people named above know the S%#& is going to hit the fan “big
time” and have decided “we’re going down” so let’s win the title even
if they take it away later.
• Slive knew about this early and sat on the information and is also
in the “crosshairs” of the FBI..
• The corruption is so deep at the highest level (trustees) that AU
will be evicted from and kicked out of the SEC.
• This will be revealed by the end of the week.
“…The Feds have tape from wire taps made on McGregor and other prominent Auburn boosters from their investigation. The Newton's were just shopping their talent's to the wrong people at the wrong time and thus there is hard evidence available that incriminates everyone involved. It's only a matter of time that all of this information becomes public.
FBI found out about Cam before the NCAA did while wiretapping Milton McGregor and others related to the casino/bingo indictments. They uncovered conversations with McGregor, Auburn and Cam's uncle in Michigan. McGregor paid $250K to the uncle through a PAC and other hidden entities and the uncle funnelled the money to Cecil.
The FBI gave this information to the NCAA sometime after the indictments were handed down. They had to sit on the information for 6 months until the grand jury indicted the men and women in the gambling deal. All of the wiretap information was sealed and that is why the delay in investigating. The NCAA had to go to Miss St to see if Cecil had solicited money from them as well. That is why Miss St is involved. They are basically connecting all of the dots. Miss St may be cleared because they told Cecil no. He then went to Auburn. The offer was on the table from McGregor but Cam wanted to play at Miss St and not Auburn. When Miss St declined to pay him, he went to where the money was... hence the comment, "The money was too much." The FBI met with the Miss St coaches, John Bond and Bill Bell today to get their official statements.
Later in the day, ESPN reported Bill Bell received text from someone purportedly to represent the Newton Family outlining the payment schedule the family wanted in order to have his son play at MSU. Bell also handed over tape recordings of Cecil saying “'Dan Mullen is going to have to put a smile on my face if he thinks he's going to get my son” – substantiating the “Make Me Smile” comments rumoured shortly after MSU went public.
quote:
The FBI has been investigating Colonial Bank and Louder for a number
of possible violations in the financial market crash which are
unrelated to AU. Part of the investigation involved gambling fraud
between McGregor and Colonial Bank. Something called the Rico Statute
allowed the justice department to set up wiretaps on Colonial Bank.
On the wiretaps the FBI found major AU recruiting infractions involving
Louder, McGregor, Dye, Trooper, boosters and others.
Here’s what they say the FBI has on tape and can prove AU did:
• The people above are on tape explaining who they paid and how they did it.
• It involves many AU players
• Providing unmarked Colonial Bank ATM cards to players to withdraw
money from secret accounts.
• Giving “slot machine cards” to the players, which now involves the
Alabama Gaming Commission.
• Provided improper loans to some of the families in our last and
current recruiting class.
• The NCAA “strongly” recommended that AU sit Cam for GA. game because
of the mounting evidence.
• President Grogue wanted to sit Cam but was overruled by Louder and
the Board of Trustees.
• Coach Chizik knows none of this and has been lied to by Jacobs.
• The people named above know the S%#& is going to hit the fan “big
time” and have decided “we’re going down” so let’s win the title even
if they take it away later.
• Slive knew about this early and sat on the information and is also
in the “crosshairs” of the FBI..
• The corruption is so deep at the highest level (trustees) that AU
will be evicted from and kicked out of the SEC.
• This will be revealed by the end of the week.
Later,
Hagar
Hagar
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Well, apparently the NCAA just cleared Newton to play in the SEC Championship game and restricted his Dad from any contact with MSU and limited his contact with Auburn...if all of this stuff were true I can't imagine the NCAA bothering to declare him eligible...I could see them sitting back and waiting, but declaring him eligible would seem to indicate that they have found no wrong doing at Auburn...maybe not though, who can tell these days.
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Rebchuck18 wrote:Well, apparently the NCAA just cleared Newton to play in the SEC Championship game and restricted his Dad from any contact with MSU and limited his contact with Auburn...if all of this stuff were true I can't imagine the NCAA bothering to declare him eligible...I could see them sitting back and waiting, but declaring him eligible would seem to indicate that they have found no wrong doing at Auburn...maybe not though, who can tell these days.
I agree with you, Chuck. This whole situation is weird and fluid. I can't imagine AU getting off. I also think Slive might be in trouble, too, but like you said, who the hell knows.