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This is what's called a BOOM.rebeljim wrote:
They also spend more money on their BB teams than we do. We spend less than anyone in the country. So if u spend more, your program should be better, we don't. Can u understand this??? I'm beginning to wonder.
http://fansnthestands.hbcufannation.com ... -the-same/rebeljim wrote: They also spend more money on their BB teams than we do. We spend less than anyone in the country. So if u spend more, your program should be better, we don't. Can u understand this??? I'm beginning to wonder.
Ok, Barnes made the dance three times in 11 years right? Evans made it twice in 8 years right? AK has done better than both in every category but dancing and hes done it in six years. Lets give the man his 8 years and see if he dances back to back. Because if he does, many of you will be flat wrong. If AK makes the tourney next year, he will have achieved "The only stat matters in college basketball" PLUS all the other things he has done with a terrible program. One NIT win this year and he pulls his average wins per year up to 21. You can spew weaker competition all day, thats fine. But if we have to allow that, you have to allow that neither Barnes nor Evans have won as consistently or even been as consistently competitive in the SEC than AK has. The only thing he lacks is a couple "one and dones" in the Dance, and if he gets that, by all your accounts, he should be the greatest coach in Ole Miss basketball history. If he doesn't, fire him and lets see what Purdue's assistant coach can do with our program. Cause thats the kinda coach we will attract.lewindha wrote:SEC basketball has not gotten tougher. 4 tourney teams this year. If there was ever a chance to jump on the Tourney wagon, it was this year. SEC basketball is down and we still can't take advantage.
I was happy when he was hired. After seeing his product, I too stopped watching. I keep up with them and if they're on TV I'll watch them, but I don't go out of my way like I used to to get to the Tad Pad for games.
I don't think there is any way he's fired this year. And only losing one major contributor could be great for next year. Although, that one guy is Henry. That's a big loss. Given all that and the "next year" excuses. What if he doesn't get us in the tourney next year? Will we hear "next year" again? How many times do we hear it before it's not an excuse anymore?
Not for me. I want steady, step by step, measurable improvement. AK hasn't shown the ability to improve at all. His SEC record is a mishmash of below .500, at .500 and one season of 9-7. His record in high pressure, win and you're in games (both SECT and NCAA bubble games) is horrific. He wins 20 games a year because he plays a pathetic OOC "preseason" schedule. That's not what I consider "greatest coach of all time" qualifications.Chucky_38 wrote:Ok, Barnes made the dance three times in 11 years right? Evans made it twice in 8 years right? AK has done better than both in every category but dancing and hes done it in six years. Lets give the man his 8 years and see if he dances back to back. Because if he does, many of you will be flat wrong. If AK makes the tourney next year, he will have achieved "The only stat matters in college basketball" PLUS all the other things he has done with a terrible program. One NIT win this year and he pulls his average wins per year up to 21. You can spew weaker competition all day, thats fine. But if we have to allow that, you have to allow that neither Barnes nor Evans have won as consistently or even been as consistently competitive in the SEC than AK has. The only thing he lacks is a couple "one and dones" in the Dance, and if he gets that, by all your accounts, he should be the greatest coach in Ole Miss basketball history. If he doesn't, fire him and lets see what Purdue's assistant coach can do with our program. Cause thats the kinda coach we will attract.lewindha wrote:SEC basketball has not gotten tougher. 4 tourney teams this year. If there was ever a chance to jump on the Tourney wagon, it was this year. SEC basketball is down and we still can't take advantage.
I was happy when he was hired. After seeing his product, I too stopped watching. I keep up with them and if they're on TV I'll watch them, but I don't go out of my way like I used to to get to the Tad Pad for games.
I don't think there is any way he's fired this year. And only losing one major contributor could be great for next year. Although, that one guy is Henry. That's a big loss. Given all that and the "next year" excuses. What if he doesn't get us in the tourney next year? Will we hear "next year" again? How many times do we hear it before it's not an excuse anymore?
Chucky_38 wrote: Ok, Barnes made the dance three times in 11 years right? Evans made it twice in 8 years right? AK has done better than both in every category but dancing and hes done it in six years. Lets give the man his 8 years and see if he dances back to back. Because if he does, many of you will be flat wrong. If AK makes the tourney next year, he will have achieved "The only stat matters in college basketball" PLUS all the other things he has done with a terrible program. One NIT win this year and he pulls his average wins per year up to 21. You can spew weaker competition all day, thats fine. But if we have to allow that, you have to allow that neither Barnes nor Evans have won as consistently or even been as consistently competitive in the SEC than AK has. The only thing he lacks is a couple "one and dones" in the Dance, and if he gets that, by all your accounts, he should be the greatest coach in Ole Miss basketball history. If he doesn't, fire him and lets see what Purdue's assistant coach can do with our program. Cause thats the kinda coach we will attract.
hasty Cutcliffe decision, u mean u thought we should've kept him?? Unreal.Rebchuck18 wrote:No because you really made two points....in addition to the tired "perception " excuse for failure, you said our social system precludes outsiders from feeling comfortable here. Well Tuberville, Evans and even Dan Mullen were all made to feel very comfortable in Mississippi because they gave the fans what they wanted. In the case of Tubby an improved football program and in the case of Evans a classy basketball program that made it to the Dance and in the case of Mullen Egg Bowl victories. Tubby left for a bigger program in a State with similar "perception " issues. Evans left to be closer to ailing parents. And by some accounts Mullen has passed up opportunities to stay. Mississippi is not our problem. In football we are still living with the results of the hasty Cutcliffe decision and in Basketball we just hired the wrong man.
I had a long response but I decide I would go with this instead blah, blah, blah... I did not make any excuses for failure.Rebchuck18 wrote:No because you really made two points....in addition to the tired "perception " excuse for failure, you said our social system precludes outsiders from feeling comfortable here. Well Tuberville, Evans and even Dan Mullen were all made to feel very comfortable in Mississippi because they gave the fans what they wanted. In the case of Tubby an improved football program and in the case of Evans a classy basketball program that made it to the Dance and in the case of Mullen Egg Bowl victories. Tubby left for a bigger program in a State with similar "perception " issues. Evans left to be closer to ailing parents. And by some accounts Mullen has passed up opportunities to stay. Mississippi is not our problem. In football we are still living with the results of the hasty Cutcliffe decision and in Basketball we just hired the wrong man.
The only fact I need is no tourney appearances. Like, I said, I supported his hiring. I thought he did a good job at cincy when huggins was fired. I ended up not liking his style and he CANNOT get us to the tourney. Others have done it AT Ole Miss with(by most everyone's here admission) less talent.OMNOB 1A wrote:I still have yet to hear a real fact based argument, with facts to support said argument, that makes AK the "wrong hire" with regards to his accomplishments as compared to those coaches that came before him and also in comparison to coaches of his ilk.
This whole new breed of Ole Miss fan scares me to quite honest. And not because I'm afraid of success, not because I'm against a "new World order" in regards to the University and it's athletics, not because I am "old school", and not because I am fine with mediocre results of the field, court, etc.
I'm scared a bit because this sort of attitude is akin (at least to me, and by all means, let the bashing begin) to the "occupy______" movement. By b-wording and moaning, all of the sudden things are going to go the way we want them to go because we stood up and said so.
Admittedly, maybe my attitude is bad too, but, I try to look at things from a realistic point of view. We're not Texas, we're not Ohio State, we're not Southern Cal.
We're Ole Miss.
And I am uber proud of that, but, I also know that demands against coaches without the financial, repute, and attractive location (to name a few) put us at a bit of a disadvantage.
Surely you Rebel Faithful know this.
In my very humble opinion, we should get behind the coaches we have that have shown their worth and assist them in their endeavors. AK ( Bianco too), deserve that in my estimation. They have far surpassed their predecessors and have earned our support.
This message is delivered and endorsed by me, OMNOB 1A, thanks for reading.
Ok Eric. Well he will be our coach next year. So if we make the tourney and get that appearance? What say you then?lewindha wrote:The only fact I need is no tourney appearances. Like, I said, I supported his hiring. I thought he did a good job at cincy when huggins was fired. I ended up not liking his style and he CANNOT get us to the tourney. Others have done it AT Ole Miss with(by most everyone's here admission) less talent.OMNOB 1A wrote:I still have yet to hear a real fact based argument, with facts to support said argument, that makes AK the "wrong hire" with regards to his accomplishments as compared to those coaches that came before him and also in comparison to coaches of his ilk.
This whole new breed of Ole Miss fan scares me to quite honest. And not because I'm afraid of success, not because I'm against a "new World order" in regards to the University and it's athletics, not because I am "old school", and not because I am fine with mediocre results of the field, court, etc.
I'm scared a bit because this sort of attitude is akin (at least to me, and by all means, let the bashing begin) to the "occupy______" movement. By b-wording and moaning, all of the sudden things are going to go the way we want them to go because we stood up and said so.
Admittedly, maybe my attitude is bad too, but, I try to look at things from a realistic point of view. We're not Texas, we're not Ohio State, we're not Southern Cal.
We're Ole Miss.
And I am uber proud of that, but, I also know that demands against coaches without the financial, repute, and attractive location (to name a few) put us at a bit of a disadvantage.
Surely you Rebel Faithful know this.
In my very humble opinion, we should get behind the coaches we have that have shown their worth and assist them in their endeavors. AK ( Bianco too), deserve that in my estimation. They have far surpassed their predecessors and have earned our support.
This message is delivered and endorsed by me, OMNOB 1A, thanks for reading.
Why does one tourney appearance in 7 seasons make you fine with him being our coach? Lowered expectations much?Chucky_38 wrote:
Ok Eric. Well he will be our coach next year. So if we make the tourney and get that appearance? What say you then?
