Good, they'll need to! 8) RESPECT.AR~Rebel wrote:I'm predicting 8-4 or 9-3 in '09. We will win at least 8 games with that schedule and could win one or two more. SC, Alabama, LSU will be tough games to win, and also (believe it or not) Arkansas. Who knows what will truly happen with those four games? I've seen Nutt pull out a lot of wins against teams that "should have won", but it's also been the other way around many times......and every game's important. Opponents will be taking us more seriously next year.
What will our record be next year?
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[quote="fis"][quote="jlow"]i'll agree with your point about the bcs but it's not like virginia tech really deserves to be there with 4 losses either. unfortunately, it's the system we have.
whether you like him or hate him, most reasonable people will agree that petrino is an offensive genius. the main knock on him is will he stay?? it's gotten to the point now that i think it's a non issue. he can't afford any further hit to what reputation he has left and i read on another board that he'd have to pay out like 8 million dollars if he left so i seriously doubt he has a foot out the door. he'll be there at least 5 years probably and it should be interesting to see. it'll take him a couple years to build up the talent levels as the cupboards were bare to say the least but it appears he's doing a pretty good job. it should be interesting.[/quote]
I assume you are an Arkansas fan, or atleast watched a few of their games. First, the cupboards were not left as bare as Ark fan wants to think. Three of your main defenders, Fairchild, Ernest Mitchell, and Antwain Robinson, are the equivolent or almost to their Hardy, Jerry, and Palmer. Unfortunatly these upperclassmen whom were big contributors even in 06 did not buy in to Petrino and that was a major problem. Early in the Bama game 1 of those guys was getting in the backfield quicker than Ole Miss's line did.
Petrino never adapted the offense to the players strengths but rather installed his system. I was concerned with his inability to get a second tailback ready. Do you think Nutt would have only had 1 dependable tailback by Kentucky game? I also don't think if Nutt coached Ark for 08 he gets blown out in a name your score game at home against Bama or TExas, wins by combined 5 pts to two d2 caliber schools, loses to Mississippi state or even Ole Miss had anyone other than Nutt gone to ole Miss. Had Petrino gone to Ole miss his top 2 defenders may be non-factors like at ark, as well as Oher going NFLing last year (according to Oher, he came back b/c he wanted to play for Nutt).
Petrino made several rookie coaching errors but I think the worst was the fade pass with 3:20 left up 7 in the Tulsa game from their 25. He went for the Td, got the interception on 3rd and 1 with Tulsa no timeouts. Had Petrino elected to go for firstdown, the game is over, yet a touchdown in that situation still gives a quickstrike offense like Tulsa the ability to get the ball back with 3:20 left and score twice. Petrino has a long way to go to prove to me he's a competant SEC coach b/c running the table in a shi+ conference against highschool defenses and inexperinced or can't hack it at the SEC level coaching staffs is not enough.
In closing, I guess when you compare coaches and their strengths some are better for certain situations than others. Louisville, you can see by looking at their bball program, a decent coach means they easily win their league, or at least did in the last conference they were in. Same goes for football. They had geographical access to the talent, and a coach that could run a certain system sort of like you see at Tulsa that you can recruit well to and punish inferior competition. Now, Petrino is in an underdog role at Arkansas b/c recruiting base and resources considered Ark should normally be in the bottom 1/3 of the SEC if all other coaches in the league are doing a good job. Nutt proved he was a good underdog coach and could keep scores close against the league giants even in losses and so far Petrino has yet to prove it.[/quote]
yep i've watched a few of their games.....just like i watched a few of ya'lls games. i love how anyone who isn't drinking the koolaid is a ark. fan. regardless of what you say, fairchild, mitchell, and robinson doesn't equal hardy, jerry, and palmer. absolutely no way. also, no one was getting into bama's backfield when those teams played cause bama ran the ball at will. the secondary was even worse.
as for petrino's offense, he had what he had. a qb that was never taught much at all about anything other than handing off the ball, a line that didn't know how to pass block, poor depth and experience at reciever, and one good running back. i don't think that any other running back was ready until the end of the season when that freshman ran well against lsu. smith's backups were freshmen. some of these things would have been ok under nutt. everyone knows that he likes to establish the run. the main knock on him is he can't pass the ball. regardless, there wouldn't be another running back ready for the kentucky game that you brought up.
with nutt, he did some good things and definately left ark in better shape than when he came. what got him fired (or one thing) was that he would win games that he shouldn't but he'd also lose games he shouldn't. overall, he was barely above .500 in the sec at arkansas and most of his nonconference wins came against "high school defenses" as you put it. personally, i think arkansas has the ability to recruit fine even though nutt didn't do as well in his time there. they have great facilities (i've seen them a few times) and though the state doesn't have great h.s. football, it appears to be getting better and petrino seems to be pretty intent on going into texas, louisiana, and florida. overall, i think both schools made a step up. should make for some interesting games over in the west.
p.s. good luck in dallas
whether you like him or hate him, most reasonable people will agree that petrino is an offensive genius. the main knock on him is will he stay?? it's gotten to the point now that i think it's a non issue. he can't afford any further hit to what reputation he has left and i read on another board that he'd have to pay out like 8 million dollars if he left so i seriously doubt he has a foot out the door. he'll be there at least 5 years probably and it should be interesting to see. it'll take him a couple years to build up the talent levels as the cupboards were bare to say the least but it appears he's doing a pretty good job. it should be interesting.[/quote]
I assume you are an Arkansas fan, or atleast watched a few of their games. First, the cupboards were not left as bare as Ark fan wants to think. Three of your main defenders, Fairchild, Ernest Mitchell, and Antwain Robinson, are the equivolent or almost to their Hardy, Jerry, and Palmer. Unfortunatly these upperclassmen whom were big contributors even in 06 did not buy in to Petrino and that was a major problem. Early in the Bama game 1 of those guys was getting in the backfield quicker than Ole Miss's line did.
Petrino never adapted the offense to the players strengths but rather installed his system. I was concerned with his inability to get a second tailback ready. Do you think Nutt would have only had 1 dependable tailback by Kentucky game? I also don't think if Nutt coached Ark for 08 he gets blown out in a name your score game at home against Bama or TExas, wins by combined 5 pts to two d2 caliber schools, loses to Mississippi state or even Ole Miss had anyone other than Nutt gone to ole Miss. Had Petrino gone to Ole miss his top 2 defenders may be non-factors like at ark, as well as Oher going NFLing last year (according to Oher, he came back b/c he wanted to play for Nutt).
Petrino made several rookie coaching errors but I think the worst was the fade pass with 3:20 left up 7 in the Tulsa game from their 25. He went for the Td, got the interception on 3rd and 1 with Tulsa no timeouts. Had Petrino elected to go for firstdown, the game is over, yet a touchdown in that situation still gives a quickstrike offense like Tulsa the ability to get the ball back with 3:20 left and score twice. Petrino has a long way to go to prove to me he's a competant SEC coach b/c running the table in a shi+ conference against highschool defenses and inexperinced or can't hack it at the SEC level coaching staffs is not enough.
In closing, I guess when you compare coaches and their strengths some are better for certain situations than others. Louisville, you can see by looking at their bball program, a decent coach means they easily win their league, or at least did in the last conference they were in. Same goes for football. They had geographical access to the talent, and a coach that could run a certain system sort of like you see at Tulsa that you can recruit well to and punish inferior competition. Now, Petrino is in an underdog role at Arkansas b/c recruiting base and resources considered Ark should normally be in the bottom 1/3 of the SEC if all other coaches in the league are doing a good job. Nutt proved he was a good underdog coach and could keep scores close against the league giants even in losses and so far Petrino has yet to prove it.[/quote]
yep i've watched a few of their games.....just like i watched a few of ya'lls games. i love how anyone who isn't drinking the koolaid is a ark. fan. regardless of what you say, fairchild, mitchell, and robinson doesn't equal hardy, jerry, and palmer. absolutely no way. also, no one was getting into bama's backfield when those teams played cause bama ran the ball at will. the secondary was even worse.
as for petrino's offense, he had what he had. a qb that was never taught much at all about anything other than handing off the ball, a line that didn't know how to pass block, poor depth and experience at reciever, and one good running back. i don't think that any other running back was ready until the end of the season when that freshman ran well against lsu. smith's backups were freshmen. some of these things would have been ok under nutt. everyone knows that he likes to establish the run. the main knock on him is he can't pass the ball. regardless, there wouldn't be another running back ready for the kentucky game that you brought up.
with nutt, he did some good things and definately left ark in better shape than when he came. what got him fired (or one thing) was that he would win games that he shouldn't but he'd also lose games he shouldn't. overall, he was barely above .500 in the sec at arkansas and most of his nonconference wins came against "high school defenses" as you put it. personally, i think arkansas has the ability to recruit fine even though nutt didn't do as well in his time there. they have great facilities (i've seen them a few times) and though the state doesn't have great h.s. football, it appears to be getting better and petrino seems to be pretty intent on going into texas, louisiana, and florida. overall, i think both schools made a step up. should make for some interesting games over in the west.
p.s. good luck in dallas
If I remember right greg hardy had his blowout game against Bama with 8 sacks that day.jlow wrote:
also, no one was getting into bama's backfield when those teams played cause bama ran the ball at will. the secondary was even worse.
I could be wrong...I know you are.
Later,
Hagar
Hagar
[quote="Hagar"][quote="jlow"]
also, no one was getting into bama's backfield when those teams played cause bama ran the ball at will. the secondary was even worse. [/quote]
If I remember right greg hardy had his blowout game against Bama with 8 sacks that day.
I could be wrong...I [b]know [/b]you are.[/quote]
when did hardy play for arkansas??
please learn how to read. :lol:
also, no one was getting into bama's backfield when those teams played cause bama ran the ball at will. the secondary was even worse. [/quote]
If I remember right greg hardy had his blowout game against Bama with 8 sacks that day.
I could be wrong...I [b]know [/b]you are.[/quote]
when did hardy play for arkansas??
please learn how to read. :lol:
Yea, it was either Mitchel or Robinson. I want to say Robinson. He was getting through but getting held and it was not getting called. But, that was the first couple of series and then he seemed to give up and both players subsequently gave up on the season. Had Nutt, Herring , tim Dial and Fairchild stayed along with getting effort of AR and EM the hog defense had a chance to be pretty good this year. the Kentucky game was past the middle of the season. It would be the first time in Nutt's career he only has one dependable running back.jlow wrote:when did hardy play for arkansas??Hagar wrote:If I remember right greg hardy had his blowout game against Bama with 8 sacks that day.jlow wrote:
also, no one was getting into bama's backfield when those teams played cause bama ran the ball at will. the secondary was even worse.
I could be wrong...I know you are.
please learn how to read.
yea, alot of negative stuff happend this year that had Nutt been here and it happend it would have been the first time in his tenure it did happen. I agree the match-ups will be interesting in the next few years.
[quote="fis"][quote="jlow"][quote="Hagar"][quote="jlow"]
also, no one was getting into bama's backfield when those teams played cause bama ran the ball at will. the secondary was even worse. [/quote]
If I remember right greg hardy had his blowout game against Bama with 8 sacks that day.
I could be wrong...I [b]know [/b]you are.[/quote]
when did hardy play for arkansas??
please learn how to read. :lol:[/quote]
Yea, it was either Mitchel or Robinson. I want to say Robinson. He was getting through but getting held and it was not getting called. But, that was the first couple of series and then he seemed to give up and both players subsequently gave up on the season. Had Nutt, Herring , tim Dial and Fairchild stayed along with getting effort of AR and EM the hog defense had a chance to be pretty good this year. the Kentucky game was past the middle of the season. It would be the first time in Nutt's career he only has one dependable running back.
yea, alot of negative stuff happend this year that had Nutt been here and it happend it would have been the first time in his tenure it did happen. I agree the match-ups will be interesting in the next few years.[/quote]
mitchell and robinson each had 2 tackles in that game. look it up. hardly worth even mentioning. nutt's d in 2007 wasn't exactly great either.
i bet you can't name any running backs before mcfadden and jones without looking them up. look up the 2004 season. the qb led the team in rushing and there wasn't a 1000 yd rusher. hmmm. also, i think you miss the point that the problem hasn't necessarily been nutt's running game. unfortunately for him, it's been the fact that he can't do anything but run the ball and if that doesn't work, he's in trouble. i remember seeing a quote from a bama player this year saying that (i'm paraphrasing) he'll try to establish the run and if that doesn't work, he'll try to establish the run.
sorry but a lot of negative stuff happened while nutt was at arkansas. he had two losing seasons, the springdale fiasco, got blasted by usc twice, got beat by vandy. it wouldn't be the first time something negative happened under nutt. in all fairness, i hope he's turned a corner and it appears so.
also, no one was getting into bama's backfield when those teams played cause bama ran the ball at will. the secondary was even worse. [/quote]
If I remember right greg hardy had his blowout game against Bama with 8 sacks that day.
I could be wrong...I [b]know [/b]you are.[/quote]
when did hardy play for arkansas??
please learn how to read. :lol:[/quote]
Yea, it was either Mitchel or Robinson. I want to say Robinson. He was getting through but getting held and it was not getting called. But, that was the first couple of series and then he seemed to give up and both players subsequently gave up on the season. Had Nutt, Herring , tim Dial and Fairchild stayed along with getting effort of AR and EM the hog defense had a chance to be pretty good this year. the Kentucky game was past the middle of the season. It would be the first time in Nutt's career he only has one dependable running back.
yea, alot of negative stuff happend this year that had Nutt been here and it happend it would have been the first time in his tenure it did happen. I agree the match-ups will be interesting in the next few years.[/quote]
mitchell and robinson each had 2 tackles in that game. look it up. hardly worth even mentioning. nutt's d in 2007 wasn't exactly great either.
i bet you can't name any running backs before mcfadden and jones without looking them up. look up the 2004 season. the qb led the team in rushing and there wasn't a 1000 yd rusher. hmmm. also, i think you miss the point that the problem hasn't necessarily been nutt's running game. unfortunately for him, it's been the fact that he can't do anything but run the ball and if that doesn't work, he's in trouble. i remember seeing a quote from a bama player this year saying that (i'm paraphrasing) he'll try to establish the run and if that doesn't work, he'll try to establish the run.
sorry but a lot of negative stuff happened while nutt was at arkansas. he had two losing seasons, the springdale fiasco, got blasted by usc twice, got beat by vandy. it wouldn't be the first time something negative happened under nutt. in all fairness, i hope he's turned a corner and it appears so.
jlow wrote:yep i've watched a few of their games.....just like i watched a few of ya'lls games. i love how anyone who isn't drinking the koolaid is a ark. fan. regardless of what you say, fairchild, mitchell, and robinson doesn't equal hardy, jerry, and palmer. absolutely no way. also, no one was getting into bama's backfield when those teams played cause bama ran the ball at will. the secondary was even worse.fis wrote:I assume you are an Arkansas fan, or atleast watched a few of their games. First, the cupboards were not left as bare as Ark fan wants to think. Three of your main defenders, Fairchild, Ernest Mitchell, and Antwain Robinson, are the equivolent or almost to their Hardy, Jerry, and Palmer. Unfortunatly these upperclassmen whom were big contributors even in 06 did not buy in to Petrino and that was a major problem. Early in the Bama game 1 of those guys was getting in the backfield quicker than Ole Miss's line did.jlow wrote:i'll agree with your point about the bcs but it's not like virginia tech really deserves to be there with 4 losses either. unfortunately, it's the system we have.
whether you like him or hate him, most reasonable people will agree that petrino is an offensive genius. the main knock on him is will he stay?? it's gotten to the point now that i think it's a non issue. he can't afford any further hit to what reputation he has left and i read on another board that he'd have to pay out like 8 million dollars if he left so i seriously doubt he has a foot out the door. he'll be there at least 5 years probably and it should be interesting to see. it'll take him a couple years to build up the talent levels as the cupboards were bare to say the least but it appears he's doing a pretty good job. it should be interesting.
Petrino never adapted the offense to the players strengths but rather installed his system. I was concerned with his inability to get a second tailback ready. Do you think Nutt would have only had 1 dependable tailback by Kentucky game? I also don't think if Nutt coached Ark for 08 he gets blown out in a name your score game at home against Bama or TExas, wins by combined 5 pts to two d2 caliber schools, loses to Mississippi state or even Ole Miss had anyone other than Nutt gone to ole Miss. Had Petrino gone to Ole miss his top 2 defenders may be non-factors like at ark, as well as Oher going NFLing last year (according to Oher, he came back b/c he wanted to play for Nutt).
Petrino made several rookie coaching errors but I think the worst was the fade pass with 3:20 left up 7 in the Tulsa game from their 25. He went for the Td, got the interception on 3rd and 1 with Tulsa no timeouts. Had Petrino elected to go for firstdown, the game is over, yet a touchdown in that situation still gives a quickstrike offense like Tulsa the ability to get the ball back with 3:20 left and score twice. Petrino has a long way to go to prove to me he's a competant SEC coach b/c running the table in a shi+ conference against highschool defenses and inexperinced or can't hack it at the SEC level coaching staffs is not enough.
In closing, I guess when you compare coaches and their strengths some are better for certain situations than others. Louisville, you can see by looking at their bball program, a decent coach means they easily win their league, or at least did in the last conference they were in. Same goes for football. They had geographical access to the talent, and a coach that could run a certain system sort of like you see at Tulsa that you can recruit well to and punish inferior competition. Now, Petrino is in an underdog role at Arkansas b/c recruiting base and resources considered Ark should normally be in the bottom 1/3 of the SEC if all other coaches in the league are doing a good job. Nutt proved he was a good underdog coach and could keep scores close against the league giants even in losses and so far Petrino has yet to prove it.
as for petrino's offense, he had what he had. a qb that was never taught much at all about anything other than handing off the ball, a line that didn't know how to pass block, poor depth and experience at reciever, and one good running back. i don't think that any other running back was ready until the end of the season when that freshman ran well against lsu. smith's backups were freshmen. some of these things would have been ok under nutt. everyone knows that he likes to establish the run. the main knock on him is he can't pass the ball. regardless, there wouldn't be another running back ready for the kentucky game that you brought up.
with nutt, he did some good things and definately left ark in better shape than when he came. what got him fired (or one thing) was that he would win games that he shouldn't but he'd also lose games he shouldn't. overall, he was barely above .500 in the sec at arkansas and most of his nonconference wins came against "high school defenses" as you put it. personally, i think arkansas has the ability to recruit fine even though nutt didn't do as well in his time there. they have great facilities (i've seen them a few times) and though the state doesn't have great h.s. football, it appears to be getting better and petrino seems to be pretty intent on going into texas, louisiana, and florida. overall, i think both schools made a step up. should make for some interesting games over in the west.
p.s. good luck in dallas
I am assuming that by this you mean Ole Miss teams... Greg does play for Ole Miss.just like i watched a few of ya'lls games.
Again, your quotes.also, no one was getting into bama's backfield when those teams played cause bama ran the ball at will.
Please for our sake learn how to post.please learn how to read.
Also I have only one other thing for you to take notice of...regarding Petrino and Nutt and their coaching styles...
Petrino was outcoached by LSU this year and it showed on the field...with his play calling and his clock management.
Nutt on the other hand hasn't been outcoached YET at Ole Miss.
You can argue talent levels and team youth and such as that if you want to because nothing can be done about that other than recruiting...all you can ask of a coach is to put his players in a position to win ballgames... the players still have to take the field. Miles will and is failing at LSU...He has been outcoaches a couple of times on TV this year alone. Petrino has already shown his ability to be outcoached as well... Until Nutt shows this trait... Ole Miss will think he is a football GURU.
No Coach since Vaught has been able to instill HEART in Ole Miss players...Nutt has this down in spades and the players love him for it. When he makes an error we will deal with it... until then sit back and watch us play on Jan 2.
Later,
Hagar
Hagar
ok you lost me then. the statement was made that one of arkansas' guys were getting into bama's backfield. i was saying that no one from arkansas was in bama's backfield. i wasn't referring to any ole miss players. if you were following, you'd know i wasn't talking about ole miss.
i know how to post. if i hit the "quote" button, you'd think it would actually quote but maybe there's a super-secret way of getting that to work if you'd like to tell me.
i don't see how you get that petrino was outcoached vs. lsu. he did win afterall. if you want to play like it doesn't matter who inherited what players, then go ahead. all i'm doing is predicting the future based on what we see now. nutt got a team with a good qb, some speed, and 3 all-american linemen. not bad. arkansas had to start 16 freshmen. big difference. i'll agree with you all day long that nutt can motivate players. the problem i've seen over the years is just that his teams can be inconsistent. he'll beat a great team like florida but lose to vandy. who knows.....maybe you're right.
:D
good luck on the 2nd.
i know how to post. if i hit the "quote" button, you'd think it would actually quote but maybe there's a super-secret way of getting that to work if you'd like to tell me.
i don't see how you get that petrino was outcoached vs. lsu. he did win afterall. if you want to play like it doesn't matter who inherited what players, then go ahead. all i'm doing is predicting the future based on what we see now. nutt got a team with a good qb, some speed, and 3 all-american linemen. not bad. arkansas had to start 16 freshmen. big difference. i'll agree with you all day long that nutt can motivate players. the problem i've seen over the years is just that his teams can be inconsistent. he'll beat a great team like florida but lose to vandy. who knows.....maybe you're right.
:D
good luck on the 2nd.
okay maybe I misread your statement... and for how to fix the quote problem do this make sure that you move the scroll bar on the posting window all the way down to the bottom... and look for the {[/quote]} begin typing anywhere after you see the last one on the page... if the scroll isn't at the bottom it might be hidden or a few return key taps after the end of the message your quoting...if in question always hit the Delete button a few times before you begin posting... usually that will bring it up so you can see the last {[/quote]} inside the braces. See if that helps.jlow wrote:ok you lost me then. the statement was made that one of arkansas' guys were getting into bama's backfield. i was saying that no one from arkansas was in bama's backfield. i wasn't referring to any ole miss players. if you were following, you'd know i wasn't talking about ole miss.
i know how to post. if i hit the "quote" button, you'd think it would actually quote but maybe there's a super-secret way of getting that to work if you'd like to tell me.
i don't see how you get that petrino was outcoached vs. lsu. he did win afterall. if you want to play like it doesn't matter who inherited what players, then go ahead. all i'm doing is predicting the future based on what we see now. nutt got a team with a good qb, some speed, and 3 all-american linemen. not bad. arkansas had to start 16 freshmen. big difference. i'll agree with you all day long that nutt can motivate players. the problem i've seen over the years is just that his teams can be inconsistent. he'll beat a great team like florida but lose to vandy. who knows.....maybe you're right.
good luck on the 2nd.
Later,
Hagar
Hagar
Well, al I can say is that you better enjoy Orgeron's recruits while you can, because HDN's recruits won't get you too far. He had a few I have to admit, but if Petrino would have had the same recruits, he would have probably taken that team to a NC. And as far as Ole Miss being a NC team in a couple of years. Keep dreaming, there's always hope........lol
Thanks for that completely repetitive, non-insightful bs.pitbull1 wrote:Well, al I can say is that you better enjoy Orgeron's recruits while you can, because HDN's recruits won't get you too far. He had a few I have to admit, but if Petrino would have had the same recruits, he would have probably taken that team to a NC. And as far as Ole Miss being a NC team in a couple of years. Keep dreaming, there's always hope........lol
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Oh look...a new moron.pitbull1 wrote:Well, al I can say is that you better enjoy Orgeron's recruits while you can, because HDN's recruits won't get you too far. He had a few I have to admit, but if Petrino would have had the same recruits, he would have probably taken that team to a NC. And as far as Ole Miss being a NC team in a couple of years. Keep dreaming, there's always hope........lol
Too bad you're completely clueless about how lackluster O's recruiting classes really were.
Well, it's only a true statement. You keep him a few years and you'll find out.
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You want truth? Here's the truth about Coach O's recruiting...
Orgeron's recruiting rankings:
Scout
2005: 29
2006: 15 (5th in the SEC)
2007: 31
Rivals
2005: 30
2006: 16 (6th in the SEC)
2007: 27
So, in 3 recruiting classes, he had one Top 20 recruiting class that still ranked middle of the pack in the SEC. In that famed recruiting class, three of the blue chippers failed to make it to campus, only one of the three would make it in a later year. And also, one of our 5 stars that year was Juco QB Brent Schaeffer. Also, from those 3 classes, only 45 scholarship players were on our 2008 roster.
Orgeron's top recruiting class (2006) was a very good class, and it played a big role in our season this year, but a lot of the 4 and 5 star guys turned out to be average or busts, and the true studs from that class, for the most part were 2 and 3 star guys.
So...if Houston Nutt got 8 wins out of a team that went 0-8 in the SEC last year and if Petrino "would have probably taken that team to a NC", why on earth couldn't the legendary Bobby Petrino get more than 5 wins out of an Arkansas team that went to the Cotton Bowl last year???
Orgeron's recruiting rankings:
Scout
2005: 29
2006: 15 (5th in the SEC)
2007: 31
Rivals
2005: 30
2006: 16 (6th in the SEC)
2007: 27
So, in 3 recruiting classes, he had one Top 20 recruiting class that still ranked middle of the pack in the SEC. In that famed recruiting class, three of the blue chippers failed to make it to campus, only one of the three would make it in a later year. And also, one of our 5 stars that year was Juco QB Brent Schaeffer. Also, from those 3 classes, only 45 scholarship players were on our 2008 roster.
Orgeron's top recruiting class (2006) was a very good class, and it played a big role in our season this year, but a lot of the 4 and 5 star guys turned out to be average or busts, and the true studs from that class, for the most part were 2 and 3 star guys.
So...if Houston Nutt got 8 wins out of a team that went 0-8 in the SEC last year and if Petrino "would have probably taken that team to a NC", why on earth couldn't the legendary Bobby Petrino get more than 5 wins out of an Arkansas team that went to the Cotton Bowl last year???