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Rebchuck18 wrote:

Joe wrote: And whose responsibility is it to keep a team focused?

Nutt's..which is why I say you shouldn't dump it all on Nix... BUT given where we were when he came on board and the fact that two out of three seasons were d*** good (especially from where we were) you can not just start firing folks after one bad year...we tried that before....short sighted and you wind up with a Neanderthal! 8O

"Yaw....yaw....yaw....yaw...YAW....yaw.....footbaw....Brent Schaeffer...." Help me, Lord. Never again.

Rebchuck18 wrote:

Joe wrote: And whose responsibility is it to keep a team focused?

Nutt's..which is why I say you shouldn't dump it all on Nix... BUT given where we were when he came on board and the fact that two out of three seasons were d*** good (especially from where we were) you can not just start firing folks after one bad year...we tried that before....short sighted and you wind up with a Neanderthal! 8O

Okay. Fair enough. Where's the line? When do you pull the trigger?

I agree for the most part, not now. But when? When does enough become enough? Because quiet frankly, I was insulted by his little speech. I'm sure Michael Oher was insulted, and I know some former Rebs that were insulted.

After running his piehole that way, it's time for him to crap or get off the pot. I am sick of hearing from pig fans about how much better off they are without him. They won't even shut up about it here!

And in the meantime, Coach Nutt is getting harder and harder to defend.

Joe wrote:
Okay. Fair enough. Where's the line? When do you pull the trigger?

I agree for the most part, not now. But when? When does enough become enough? Because quiet frankly, I was insulted by his little speech. I'm sure Michael Oher was insulted, and I know some former Rebs that were insulted.

After running his piehole that way, it's time for him to crap or get off the pot. I am sick of hearing from pig fans about how much better off they are without him. They won't even shut up about it here!

And in the meantime, Coach Nutt is getting harder and harder to defend.

I agree with you, although I absolutely couldn't care less what folks from Arkansas think...I think that if we don't see any real LONG TERM improvement in the program next year (on the field and off the field) then it will probably be time to make a change.

But heck I am just an old overweight Accountant in Austin, TX...what does what I think matter? 8)

I do know this...the sun will rise in the morning. All five of my healthy babies (of all ages) love their Daddy and I would rather be 4-8 as a Rebel than 8-4 as a bulldog with a childish coach who has to make up school yard nicknames ANY DAY!

Rebchuck18 wrote:

Joe wrote: And whose responsibility is it to keep a team focused?

Nutt's..which is why I say you shouldn't dump it all on Nix... BUT given where we were when he came on board and the fact that two out of three seasons were d*** good (especially from where we were) you can not just start firing folks after one bad year...we tried that before....short sighted and you wind up with a Neanderthal! 8O

They were pretty good, but not d*** good. In '08 they lost to WF, Vandy and SC. In '09 they lost to SC -again- and MSU to end the year. So I'm just pointing out that indeed they were pretty good. But not d*** good. And the sad fact is that a school up north(east) may be going to a BCS bowl.
I'm just not sure Nutt can take us to the promised land after what I witnessed, no what we all witnessed this year. I think the Cotton or the Capital One will be our highest achievement.
I realize this is based on one years results... but look at the results... (at least our best game of the year came against LSU)...

BobReb wrote:

Rebchuck18 wrote:

Joe wrote: And whose responsibility is it to keep a team focused?

Nutt's..which is why I say you shouldn't dump it all on Nix... BUT given where we were when he came on board and the fact that two out of three seasons were d*** good (especially from where we were) you can not just start firing folks after one bad year...we tried that before....short sighted and you wind up with a Neanderthal! 8O

They were pretty good, but not d*** good. In '08 they lost to WF, Vandy and SC. In '09 they lost to SC -again- and MSU to end the year. So I'm just pointing out that indeed they were pretty good. But not d*** good. And the sad fact is that a school up north(east) may be going to a BCS bowl.
I'm just not sure Nutt can take us to the promised land after what I witnessed, no what we all witnessed this year. I think the Cotton or the Capital One will be our highest achievement.
I realize this is based on one years results... but look at the results... (at least our best game of the year came against LSU)...

Given where we have been over the last 40 years (and I have suffered through every d*** one of those years , as I believe have you).....two 9 win seasons in a row and trips to New Years Day Bowls...is d*** good in my book..just sayin'

Point taken. They were d*** good years from that perspective, surely.
But do you think he can deliver more? Before this season, I'll quickly admit that I did. (And I was NOT a fan of the hire. I thought he was nuts up there.) But after the last two years, I concluded I was wrong about him. Then this season, man, how do you lay one so big?
And perhaps the thing about it that has everybody so itchy is that it was total chaos. Nutt knows it was, you can tell by his comments. The "strength" of the team rolled over and died. The O had turnoveritis syndrome. The secondary was a ruse. Coaching. Where was the coaching this year?
This is just tough to look at and feel a lot of confidence in the prospects of an SEC Championship. I'm just feeling very disheartened, Chuck. I really thought we may be on the verge of something. Having serious doubts now. Suppose I should be happy with the occasional Cotton Bowl.

Guys, Nutt couldnt do anything more up there in Arkansas due to its location. The best players are in the deep south and Arkansas is in their on little corner up north. Kind of hard to get kids to come up there. This is the most Petrino will get them as well. As for Ole Miss, well, he needs to get some players. Half our starters were not that good.

BobReb wrote:Point taken. They were d*** good years from that perspective, surely.
But do you think he can deliver more? Before this season, I'll quickly admit that I did. (And I was NOT a fan of the hire. I thought he was nuts up there.) But after the last two years, I concluded I was wrong about him. Then this season, man, how do you lay one so big?
And perhaps the thing about it that has everybody so itchy is that it was total chaos. Nutt knows it was, you can tell by his comments. The "strength" of the team rolled over and died. The O had turnoveritis syndrome. The secondary was a ruse. Coaching. Where was the coaching this year?
This is just tough to look at and feel a lot of confidence in the prospects of an SEC Championship. I'm just feeling very disheartened, Chuck. I really thought we may be on the verge of something. Having serious doubts now. Suppose I should be happy with the occasional Cotton Bowl.

I am not sure if he can get do any more than that...in absolute honesty I didn't expect much from this year, but I did from next year...what I expected from this year was a year of development and maybe a 7 win season. In retrospect I don't think that was far fetched. We certainly could have beaten Vandy and State and we certainly should have beaten Jacksonville State. But because of what I think was a lack of development (on the offensive side of the ball) I think that we basically go into next year behind where we started this year, because now we carry the burden and the culture of losing forward instead of the momentum of back to back Cotton Bowls...so I really have no firm opinion about next year because I have no idea where this team is from a cohesive and confidence point of view...my guess is that for some folks like Stanley his confidence is at an all time low and he has to wonder if he works hard and again wins the job if he will be given the chance. I actually think that the defense may have gotten some valuable experience this year under extreme adversity and bad results. Hopefully we will find out how Nix can apply that experience and convert it into a positive before next year. I have a sneaky suspicion that he can.

Should be an interesting and telling upcoming season.

BovinaREB wrote:Guys, Nutt couldnt do anything more up there in Arkansas due to its location. The best players are in the deep south and Arkansas is in their on little corner up north. Kind of hard to get kids to come up there. This is the most Petrino will get them as well. As for Ole Miss, well, he needs to get some players. Half our starters were not that good.

Seriously??

I think the coaching staff rolled the dice on JM and it did not work out. The SEC is a different animal than conferences elsewhere. More speed, talent, and size on the defensive side for sure. JM was not quite ready for this as talented as he is. This is one conference where the qb is the most important position. It is hard for a foreign qb to come in and win even though Cam has done it for Auburn. LSU would probably be #1 had they developed a qb this year. This fiasco probably did take the focus from the team not only from a coaching aspect but also from the players' perspective. That is something that shouldn't happen. It should never happen when a true qb (or two or three) is being groomed in the backup role. Nutt doesn't do this. Not all good coaches do. Great ones do. Stanley would have won as many games as did JM and had a years experience (confidence from the coaching staff) which in turn would be encouraging for next year. Blame that one on coaching but in Nutt's defense, nearly all pundits thought the addition of JM would make Ole Miss a contender for the West. In hindsight, they were wrong too. I know you guys hate piggies to get on here and express our views but I will anyway just to give you another view. I think Nutt just needs to hire a great OC and trust him. The rest of his staff just seemed to be working with young players. But in retrospect, Nutt won't now or never because he thinks he is a great OC who still believes this is a run oriented only conference (which puts less importance on the qb).

In 2008 & 2009, 9 out of 13 games =69.2%

Mullen could do that at State this year after their bowl game.

9 wins ain't what it was 10 years ago! Then you played 10 regular season games, not 12. It's good; not d*** good.

We lost to some bad teams in 2008 & 2009 year, and d*** good teams find a way to beat the bad teams on their schedule.

I'm still supporting Ole Miss, but still expect to see some changes with the coaching staff.

Preach on Brother Bob, preach on!

BovinaREB wrote:Guys, Nutt couldnt do anything more up there in Arkansas due to its location. The best players are in the deep south and Arkansas is in their on little corner up north. Kind of hard to get kids to come up there. This is the most Petrino will get them as well. As for Ole Miss, well, he needs to get some players. Half our starters were not that good.

I look at it this way. Three years later, where is Petrino spending his New Year holiday, and where are we spending ours?

Nutt does have more furtile recruiting grounds, but Nutt has much more competition for his in-state talent (LSU, MSU, et al) than Petrino has for his.

This has been a bad year. We are down on talent, but even considering that we should have done MUCH better than we did. There is absolutely no doubt and no room for argument that Nutt deserves some of the blame for that. We could argue all day about how much blame, but it is sufficient to say that he holds some of the blame. I believe that it is a mistake to fire a coach after one bad year. The only way a coach should be fired after three years is if he does something major wrong (abuse a player, break the law or etc.) or the team does awful all three years (e.g. Orgeron). I do not believe that it is time to fire Nutt. Every fan of Ole Miss should be upset with Nutt and his staff this year, but I do not believe that Nutt should be fired and we should trust his decisions on other positions, for now. If next year is as bad as this year, I will probably be looking forward to this staff's last day. Houston Nutt has been a head coach for 15 years. There have been two other occasions where his team has only won four games; his first year ever at Murray State and 2005 at Arkansas. Considering what he inherited at Murray State and the length of time that has passed since, I do not believe that four win season is indicative of his coaching ability. Two years after that, he had back-to-back 11 win seasons. His other four win season, at Arakansas, was followed by a 10 win season that saw them go to the SEC championship game. With that, and the talent that I expect us to have, I expect a complete turnaround next year. If we are 6-6 or worse, then it will definitely be time to ask ourselves if we are going in the right direction. If we are 7-5 then I won't complain if we look elsewhere. If we are 8-4, then I probably wouldn't put up too much protest. If we win the SEC west, then I will be a staunch defender. Knowing what I know about Houston and Diana, I suspect that they are talking a lot to each other about retirement. I also know that he is enough of a competitor that it would be very hard for him to retire after a 4-8 season. When (if) he makes it near the top, I don't think we will need to have this discussion again because I believe that he will retire.

JustBlues wrote:

colreb74 wrote:Not with Nix as defensive coordinator!

I still wonder what Nutt is gonna say at 4 PM that he "wants the team to hear from me (Nutt), before they read about it."

The past two years we've had one of the top defenses in the country with Nix at the helm. Nix's biggest problem this year is that he kept trying to scheme as if he had the same players as last year and the year before and didn't adapt to the talent he had, at least not quick enough to stop the bleeding. Based on his past success, I do not favor firing him after one bad year, but he darn sure better learn from the bad year. If we don't stop turning the ball over and improve our coverage teams, it won't matter who our defensive coordinator is. No defense can survive consistently being put in bad situations. Opponents have started with great field position all year.

No you're wrong. FIRE HIM. FIRE EM ALL. I really wish solving the problems on this FB team were as easy as firing the staff.