Is anyone worried about the TCU Defense?

[SagePundit]

we have tempo and have used it much more in the past but this year we slowed the game down considerably to allow for our QB Bo Wallace more time to think apparently (Bo seems to throw more interceptions going tempo). If Defenseive depth is a concern for TCU and our Running game is hampered by TCU going heavy package we will see lots more of it...if we have any success running the ball then the game will slow down... substitution relief for TCU's D will be a high premium regardless...when we send 4 wide deep every down and throw to our TE's the Corners for TCU will be give out by the 4th I imagine...all of our WR's have near Amari Cooper capabilities...but our TE's have been the most deadly for us...everyone seems to have 1 maybe 2 good corners but nobody has 4 and the time to substitute against us. Our success will be reside with Bo Wallace...if he has a good night we will win by 21 points... if not it will be close. Your offensive success will not be an issue because if we can weather the rest of the SEC west we can weather TCU as well.

TCU runs a 4-2-5 base defense and has typically stopped the run well without going to a "heavy" package.

Interesting, I would have thought that having multiple WRs with "near Amari Cooper capabilities" Ole Miss would have been better than 29th in the country in pass offense, but I have seen other mention on this board about some of your better receivers being out with injury. Do you expect everyone to be healthy for the game?

It seems like a lot of Alabama fans thought the same thing going into the Sugar bowl against another Big 12 team last year, but then again I think Alabama felt a little down last year going into their bowl having been so close to playing for the NC. Kind of like TCU feels about this year. If Bo tends to throw Int's when going up-tempo, then I hope Ole Miss does go up-tempo, since TCU is 3rd in the country in interceptions, and tied for second in int's returned for TDs.

[JustBlues]

we have tempo and have used it much more in the past but this year we slowed the game down considerably to allow for our QB Bo Wallace more time to think apparently (Bo seems to throw more interceptions going tempo). If Defenseive depth is a concern for TCU and our Running game is hampered by TCU going heavy package we will see lots more of it...if we have any success running the ball then the game will slow down... substitution relief for TCU's D will be a high premium regardless...when we send 4 wide deep every down and throw to our TE's the Corners for TCU will be give out by the 4th I imagine...all of our WR's have near Amari Cooper capabilities...but our TE's have been the most deadly for us...everyone seems to have 1 maybe 2 good corners but nobody has 4 and the time to substitute against us. Our success will be reside with Bo Wallace...if he has a good night we will win by 21 points... if not it will be close. Your offensive success will not be an issue because if we can weather the rest of the SEC west we can weather TCU as well.

TCU runs a 4-2-5 base defense and has typically stopped the run well without going to a "heavy" package.

Interesting, I would have thought that having multiple WRs with "near Amari Cooper capabilities" Ole Miss would have been better than 29th in the country in pass offense, but I have seen other mention on this board about some of your better receivers being out with injury. Do you expect everyone to be healthy for the game?

It seems like a lot of Alabama fans thought the same thing going into the Sugar bowl against another Big 12 team last year, but then again I think Alabama felt a little down last year going into their bowl having been so close to playing for the NC. Kind of like TCU feels about this year. If Bo tends to throw Int's when going up-tempo, then I hope Ole Miss does go up-tempo, since TCU is 3rd in the country in interceptions, and tied for second in int's returned for TDs.

Amari Cooper is a rare talent and to compare Ole Miss's current receivers to him is a bit of hyperbole. Laquon Treadwell is very close and likely to be as good as or better than Cooper next year, but he will not be playing in the bowl game. Make no mistake about it, though, Ole Miss definitely has a stable of receivers who can burn you even with their two best receivers wearing street clothes on the sideline. The pass yardage numbers are deceiving because Ole Miss's defense has been so stout that a normally aggressive Hugh Freeze has become very conservative on offense at times during the season. He will turn loose everything he has in the bowl game, much as he did against Mississippi State. As Hagar pointed out, one of our best weapons is at TE and we have one that is an all-American. He has been great since he got to Ole Miss and had a particularly effective day against Mississippi State.

[fenderman]

If we had recruited like bama over the past 8 years then injuries would not be that big of a problem


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[55chevy]

I think it is safe to say that TCU hasn't seen a defense like they are going to see against Ole Miss. I think TCU will score but I don't see them getting any where near 46 points. I doubt they will see 30. I think Ole Miss will be able to move the ball and should put points up fairly regularly unless they start turning it over. I don't think TCU has any more team speed than Ole Miss. Ole Miss has had problems after lay offs and if they can get off to a decent start early I think they will win fairly easy. Ole Miss is as good as any team in the country when healthy. Their best two receivers as well as a key defensive player won't be playing but I still think OM wins.

[SagePundit]

I think it is safe to say that TCU hasn't seen a defense like they are going to see against Ole Miss. I think TCU will score but I don't see them getting any where near 46 points. I doubt they will see 30. I think Ole Miss will be able to move the ball and should put points up fairly regularly unless they start turning it over. I don't think TCU has any more team speed than Ole Miss. Ole Miss has had problems after lay offs and if they can get off to a decent start early I think they will win fairly easy. Ole Miss is as good as any team in the country when healthy. Their best two receivers as well as a key defensive player won't be playing but I still think OM wins.

I'll give you your first point, but I think it is just as safe to say that Ole Miss hasn't seen an offense like TCU's this year. Frankly we are still getting used to having a team that is defined primarily by its offensive performances because GP is first and foremost a defensive coach. It was a big shift bringing in the new offensive coordinators and moving to an offense that plays like this one does. It has made a huge difference for Boykin, who has made a 180 degree turnaround since being full time at QB for an entire year for the first time. He still can get a little too up for games sometimes and when he does it usually results in him overthrowing his receivers early in games. But he extends plays as good as anyone and has WR speed when he decides to take off running. Bowl games are hard to predict because of the long layoffs, but I will be very surprised if Ole Miss can win easily, no matter how they start. No one came close to shutting out TCU this year, Ole Miss on the other hand was shut out by an Arkansas team which allowed exactly one fewer point this year than TCU did, and scored only 7 against LSU. Not saying that there will be a shutout just that there have been times the Ole Miss offense has not been as consistent scoring points.

[Hagar]

I think it is safe to say that TCU hasn't seen a defense like they are going to see against Ole Miss. I think TCU will score but I don't see them getting any where near 46 points. I doubt they will see 30. I think Ole Miss will be able to move the ball and should put points up fairly regularly unless they start turning it over. I don't think TCU has any more team speed than Ole Miss. Ole Miss has had problems after lay offs and if they can get off to a decent start early I think they will win fairly easy. Ole Miss is as good as any team in the country when healthy. Their best two receivers as well as a key defensive player won't be playing but I still think OM wins.

I'll give you your first point, but I think it is just as safe to say that Ole Miss hasn't seen an offense like TCU's this year. Frankly we are still getting used to having a team that is defined primarily by its offensive performances because GP is first and foremost a defensive coach. It was a big shift bringing in the new offensive coordinators and moving to an offense that plays like this one does. It has made a huge difference for Boykin, who has made a 180 degree turnaround since being full time at QB for an entire year for the first time. He still can get a little too up for games sometimes and when he does it usually results in him overthrowing his receivers early in games. But he extends plays as good as anyone and has WR speed when he decides to take off running. Bowl games are hard to predict because of the long layoffs, but I will be very surprised if Ole Miss can win easily, no matter how they start. No one came close to shutting out TCU this year, Ole Miss on the other hand was shut out by an Arkansas team which allowed exactly one fewer point this year than TCU did, and scored only 7 against LSU. Not saying that there will be a shutout just that there have been times the Ole Miss offense has not been as consistent scoring points.

is the measuring stick that your using for comparing OM offensive and TCU offensive numbers the same?... I know you aren't going to tell me that even you believe that big 12 defenses are as strong as SEC defenses...at BEST TCU's offense would compare to Auburn at WORST aTm...this is just my opinion. Depth and special teams and TO's are going to play a much bigger role in our game than either offenses or defenses I imagine.

[mascott]

Thanks for stopping by and letting us know how our team sucks!!!
scot

[SagePundit]

is the measuring stick that your using for comparing OM offensive and TCU offensive numbers the same?... I know you aren't going to tell me that even you believe that big 12 defenses are as strong as SEC defenses...at BEST TCU's offense would compare to Auburn at WORST aTm...this is just my opinion. Depth and special teams and TO's are going to play a much bigger role in our game than either offenses or defenses I imagine.

Well obviously with very few common opponents it is hard to make direct comparisons, which was one of my earlier points. In fact, I think I mentioned earlier that I thought the SEC defenses were generally better, but you appear to be taking the position that the only reason TCU's offensive numbers are better is the result of the competition, and you may be right.

I think comparing TCU's offense to aTm completely ignores the wildly inconsistent nature of aTm's offense this year. As for your comparison to Auburn, TCU and Auburn played only two common opponents, Auburn won those two games 20-14 and 31-7, TCU won against those common opponents 41-20 and 48-14. Avg points scored 25.5 to 44.5, avg margin of victory 15 to 27.5. Statistically significant? Certainly not. Some evidence? Maybe so. I agree that TO's almost always play a major factor, TCU's +18 turnover margin this year has played a big part in our success.

In the end, you can look at statistics all day long and it won't tell you how one team will react against another on any given day. That is what makes college football so much fun.

[SagePundit]

Thanks for stopping by and letting us know how our team sucks!!!
scot

exactly where in my posts did you get that I was saying your team sucked

[mascott]

Really sorry! You did not sagepundit. I already had my butt on my shoulders yesterday.
scott

[SagePundit]

Really sorry! You did not sagepundit. I already had my butt on my shoulders yesterday.
scott

No problem, you know the more I look at the season Ole Miss has had, the more I'm convinced that on any given day, you guys could beat anyone in the country (see Alabama/Miss St). I think TCU could do the same, but both teams have looked very beatable at times too (Ole Miss v Arkansas; TCU in the last quarter against Baylor and most of the Kansas game). GP says a lot of good things about Freeze which is enough to tell me that the program is in good hands. Looking forward to Atlanta and a great game.

[bbqit]

Really sorry! You did not sagepundit. I already had my butt on my shoulders yesterday.
scott

No problem, you know the more I look at the season Ole Miss has had, the more I'm convinced that on any given day, you guys could beat anyone in the country (see Alabama/Miss St). I think TCU could do the same, but both teams have looked very beatable at times too (Ole Miss v Arkansas; TCU in the last quarter against Baylor and most of the Kansas game). GP says a lot of good things about Freeze which is enough to tell me that the program is in good hands. Looking forward to Atlanta and a great game.

not counting the championship game this may be the best bowl game made for tv. both have plenty to offer on both sides of the ball.

[SagePundit]

I think it is safe to say that TCU hasn't seen a defense like they are going to see against Ole Miss. I think TCU will score but I don't see them getting any where near 46 points. I doubt they will see 30. I think Ole Miss will be able to move the ball and should put points up fairly regularly unless they start turning it over. I don't think TCU has any more team speed than Ole Miss. Ole Miss has had problems after lay offs and if they can get off to a decent start early I think they will win fairly easy. Ole Miss is as good as any team in the country when healthy. Their best two receivers as well as a key defensive player won't be playing but I still think OM wins.

I'll give you your first point, but I think it is just as safe to say that Ole Miss hasn't seen an offense like TCU's this year. Frankly we are still getting used to having a team that is defined primarily by its offensive performances because GP is first and foremost a defensive coach. It was a big shift bringing in the new offensive coordinators and moving to an offense that plays like this one does. It has made a huge difference for Boykin, who has made a 180 degree turnaround since being full time at QB for an entire year for the first time. He still can get a little too up for games sometimes and when he does it usually results in him overthrowing his receivers early in games. But he extends plays as good as anyone and has WR speed when he decides to take off running. Bowl games are hard to predict because of the long layoffs, but I will be very surprised if Ole Miss can win easily, no matter how they start. No one came close to shutting out TCU this year, Ole Miss on the other hand was shut out by an Arkansas team which allowed exactly one fewer point this year than TCU did, and scored only 7 against LSU. Not saying that there will be a shutout just that there have been times the Ole Miss offense has not been as consistent scoring points.

is the measuring stick that your using for comparing OM offensive and TCU offensive numbers the same?... I know you aren't going to tell me that even you believe that big 12 defenses are as strong as SEC defenses...at BEST TCU's offense would compare to Auburn at WORST aTm...this is just my opinion. Depth and special teams and TO's are going to play a much bigger role in our game than either offenses or defenses I imagine.

Well I think after seeing the game that Ole Miss probably did have the best D we faced this year, but they were clearly not the best D on the field today. Patterson didn't make his living coaching D by accident. Bowl games often get out of hand and you can never tell what will happen with a month off, but anyone who thinks that this TCU team didn't deserve to be in the CFP is kidding themselves.

[Hagar]

TCU played a great game and for certain deserved to win, We had our worst outing this year against TCU and played uninspired on both sides of the LOS...TCU defense was FAST as greased lightinging...I am just glad we won't have to field Bo and Jaylon Walton again... Now we gotta find out someone to take Matt Luke off our hands and find us a new O line coach.

Congrats on the win.

[rebeljim]

TCU played a great game and for certain deserved to win, We had our worst outing this year against TCU and played uninspired on both sides of the LOS...TCU defense was FAST as greased lightinging...I am just glad we won't have to field Bo and Jaylon Walton again... Now we gotta find out someone to take Matt Luke off our hands and find us a new O line coach.

Congrats on the win.

Jalen Walton isn't a senior. But am VERY glad Bo's leaving.