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jlow wrote:

dgmcdowe wrote:Oh joy. the wonders of "bad calls"

If that guy knew anything about bad calls, he'd know that we should be undefeated right now.

What a joke. Arky was playing on pure emotion, which is why they pulled a win against LSU and almost against us.

Arky might be better next year, but so are we.

you don't really get it though. that game shouldn't of been close considering the huge gap in talent and experience between the two teams.

i think it's funny how unreasonable ya'll and arkansas fans really are. nutt isn't the retard that arkansas fans make him out to be. he's actually a good coach and motivator. on the other hand, petrino is a much better coach than he is (probably top 5-10 in the ncaa) but ya'll can't admit that. i think if it came down to it and nutt wasn't at ole miss and petrino wasn't at arkansas, ya'll would pick petrino every time based on his accomplishments at the college level. trust me, arkansas will be top 20 in the nation on a normal basis within the next 1-2 years and that's a third person view. it should probably take that long to actually get some talent in there and have some experienced upperclassmen.

yeah, its going to take at least a year, so you should be in the NC hunt in 09. USC, UF, Bama, and THE Ohio are already shaking in their cleats at the prospect. NOT. As I said once before pigs are good for 1 thing only - roasting over the pit of their own stupidity. Now put down the moonshine and go douse yourself in bbq sauce and enjoy the Holidays, while we enjoy our bowl game.

[quote="BigTrev34"][quote="jlow"]8-4 or 9-3.

losses to bama, fla, lsu, and ark.

bama will be even better.
fla (if tebow returns) will be better and won't overlook ya'll.
lsu (if they get a qb) has more talent.
ark barely lost and it took a bad call despite having much less talent. petrino is too good of a coach.

overall ya'll will be good. kinda wondering about who ya'll will get to replace those who are leaving....especially on the lines. btw, is hardy going pro??[/quote]

WE dont play UF next year. We will not lose to teams we beat on the road this year (LSU and Arky). Petrino is not too good a coach. You Arky fans may know him well, but not as well as me. And he is not too good a coach to lose to anyone. He lost to Rutgers and USF before they matteree and blew leads like they were going out of style. So dont bring that garbage hes too good a coach, because he aint. The best win he had before LSU this year was maybe WV, but he lost t to them a couple times when it mattered. He did beat WF though. So you are saying we lose 3 of our 4 home SEC games. Something doesnt add up. Especially when we lose to UF next year and we dont even play em. Thats gonna be a tough loss for me. I cant handle losses against a team you dont play. those are worse than blowout losses. Thanks and come back soon.[/quote]
learn how to read. when someone says that something is coming from "a third person's view", that means on the outside looking in. in other words, not a fan of either team. i just happen to like s.e.c. football in general. not everyone that thinks petrino is a good coach is an arkansas fan. i didn't realize you don't play florida either. if it's tenn, then i'll expect a win. ya'll have a good team and i'm not trying to diss ya'll in any way. just trying to be realistic.....sorry i'm not drinking the kool aid.

petrino is generally regarded as one of the best offensive coaches in the country by other coaches and media. even got featured in sports illustrated i believe and i've read a quote by tom coughlin saying he's the best playcaller he's ever seen. not too shabby. even though the media hates him for his personal faults, the guy can coach and has won a bcs bowl which is one more bcs bowl than nutt has ever been to. if you were really objective, you'd be able to admit that petrino is probably one of the top coaches in the s.e.c if not the country. just keep drinking the koolaid and telling yourself that nutt is the better than saban, meyer, and anyone else. just remember in a year or two when i'm saying i told you so.

[quote="bleuwolfe"][quote="jlow"][quote="dgmcdowe"]Oh joy. the wonders of "bad calls"

If that guy knew anything about bad calls, he'd know that we should be undefeated right now.

What a joke. Arky was playing on pure emotion, which is why they pulled a win against LSU and almost against us.

Arky might be better next year, but so are we.[/quote]
you don't really get it though. that game shouldn't of been close considering the huge gap in talent and experience between the two teams.

i think it's funny how unreasonable ya'll and arkansas fans really are. nutt isn't the retard that arkansas fans make him out to be. he's actually a good coach and motivator. on the other hand, petrino is a much better coach than he is (probably top 5-10 in the ncaa) but ya'll can't admit that. i think if it came down to it and nutt wasn't at ole miss and petrino wasn't at arkansas, ya'll would pick petrino every time based on his accomplishments at the college level. trust me, arkansas will be top 20 in the nation on a normal basis [b]within the next 1-2 years[/b] and that's a third person view. i[b]t should probably take that long to actually get some talent in there and have some experienced upperclassmen[/b].[/quote]

yeah, its going to take at least a year, so you should be in the NC hunt in 09. USC, UF, Bama, and THE Ohio are already shaking in their cleats at the prospect. NOT. As I said once before pigs are good for 1 thing only - roasting over the pit of their own stupidity. Now put down the moonshine and go douse yourself in bbq sauce and enjoy the Holidays, while we enjoy our bowl game. :lol:[/quote]
lol not an arkansas fan but nice try. don't worry....i'm sure ya'll will be in the n.c. game in a year or two. :lol:

jlow wrote:

bleuwolfe wrote:

jlow wrote: you don't really get it though. that game shouldn't of been close considering the huge gap in talent and experience between the two teams.

i think it's funny how unreasonable ya'll and arkansas fans really are. nutt isn't the retard that arkansas fans make him out to be. he's actually a good coach and motivator. on the other hand, petrino is a much better coach than he is (probably top 5-10 in the ncaa) but ya'll can't admit that. i think if it came down to it and nutt wasn't at ole miss and petrino wasn't at arkansas, ya'll would pick petrino every time based on his accomplishments at the college level. trust me, arkansas will be top 20 in the nation on a normal basis within the next 1-2 years and that's a third person view. it should probably take that long to actually get some talent in there and have some experienced upperclassmen.

yeah, its going to take at least a year, so you should be in the NC hunt in 09. USC, UF, Bama, and THE Ohio are already shaking in their cleats at the prospect. NOT. As I said once before pigs are good for 1 thing only - roasting over the pit of their own stupidity. Now put down the moonshine and go douse yourself in bbq sauce and enjoy the Holidays, while we enjoy our bowl game.

lol not an arkansas fan but nice try. don't worry....i'm sure ya'll will be in the n.c. game in a year or two.

Well, if you think that, then you're not a Rebel fan either.

[quote="bleuwolfe"][quote="jlow"][quote="bleuwolfe"][quote="jlow"][quote="dgmcdowe"]Oh joy. the wonders of "bad calls"

If that guy knew anything about bad calls, he'd know that we should be undefeated right now.

What a joke. Arky was playing on pure emotion, which is why they pulled a win against LSU and almost against us.

Arky might be better next year, but so are we.[/quote]
you don't really get it though. that game shouldn't of been close considering the huge gap in talent and experience between the two teams.

i think it's funny how unreasonable ya'll and arkansas fans really are. nutt isn't the retard that arkansas fans make him out to be. he's actually a good coach and motivator. on the other hand, petrino is a much better coach than he is (probably top 5-10 in the ncaa) but ya'll can't admit that. i think if it came down to it and nutt wasn't at ole miss and petrino wasn't at arkansas, ya'll would pick petrino every time based on his accomplishments at the college level. trust me, arkansas will be top 20 in the nation on a normal basis [b]within the next 1-2 years[/b] and that's a third person view. i[b]t should probably take that long to actually get some talent in there and have some experienced upperclassmen[/b].[/quote]

yeah, its going to take at least a year, so you should be in the NC hunt in 09. USC, UF, Bama, and THE Ohio are already shaking in their cleats at the prospect. NOT. As I said once before pigs are good for 1 thing only - roasting over the pit of their own stupidity. Now put down the moonshine and go douse yourself in bbq sauce and enjoy the Holidays, while we enjoy our bowl game. :lol:[/quote]
lol not an arkansas fan but nice try. don't worry....i[b]'m sure ya'll will be in the n.c. game in a year or two. [/b]:lol:[/quote]
Well, if you think that, then you're not a Rebel fan either.[/quote]

you're a quick one aren't you?? i thought that fact would be pretty clear considering that i didn't say "we".

Please learn how to properly use the quote feature, or I'll come to your house and personally cut off both your hands.

Merry Christmas.

sorry.....i just hit the quote button and don't do anything else. i've never had that kind of problem before. :?:

jlow wrote:sorry... i've never had that kind of problem before.

That's what HE said!!!

I'm not gonna try to sort out the quote mess up there.

No way is Petrino a top 5 coach. Paterno, Bowden, Carroll, Tressell, Saban, in no particular order. That's five right there I named without thinking. I'm sure I could think of 5 more, more accomplished head coaches. So you may want to rethink that top 5/10 things.

I do think that Petrino is a good coach and I think Arky will be competitive under him. How far he takes them we'll see. All that being said, I think I could coach a Big East team to a BCS bowl. There have been arguments since the ACC merge that the Big East shouldn't even be in the BCS anymore. That should tell you what people think of the Big East.

I don't know who you're a fan of, and I won't begrudge you that fact that many people think Petrino is a great coach. But Arky fans won't acknowledge what the entire World is saying about Nutt, so we like to give them *beep* about Petrino. We really could've found out what kind of coach he was this year had he stayed in Atlanta. They made the playoffs, maybe he could've taken them farther if he's so great. But he quit, so we'll never know. So we'll wait and see what he does at Arkansas.

[quote="lewindha"]I'm not gonna try to sort out the quote mess up there.

No way is Petrino a top 5 coach. Paterno, Bowden, Carroll, Tressell, Saban, in no particular order. That's five right there I named without thinking. I'm sure I could think of 5 more, more accomplished head coaches. So you may want to rethink that top 5/10 things.

I do think that Petrino is a good coach and I think Arky will be competitive under him. How far he takes them we'll see. All that being said, I think I could coach a Big East team to a BCS bowl. There have been arguments since the ACC merge that the Big East shouldn't even be in the BCS anymore. That should tell you what people think of the Big East.

I don't know who you're a fan of, and I won't begrudge you that fact that many people think Petrino is a great coach. But Arky fans won't acknowledge what the entire World is saying about Nutt, so we like to give them *beep* about Petrino. We really could've found out what kind of coach he was this year had he stayed in Atlanta. They made the playoffs, maybe he could've taken them farther if he's so great. But he quit, so we'll never know. So we'll wait and see what he does at Arkansas.[/quote]

i get what you're saying but you're talking cumulative coaching accomplishments. i'm just saying, if you want to hire a coach right now to rebuild a program or take your team to another level, paterno or bowden are out right off the bat cause they might not make it that long. i think tressel, saban, meyer, petrino, carroll, paul johnson, and stoops are some of the top coaches right now off the top of my head. so yes, there are "more accomplished" coaches but you wouldn't exactly hire them now either.

i get what you're saying but it's hard to eliminate a conference from bcs when it normally has 3-4 ranked teams. i think you'd have to look at eliminating the acc and big ten also.

i don't really like to get into who i'm a fan of cause it always makes football discussions more difficult. i understand wanting to give arkansas fans crap. nutt wasn't near as bad as they say but i don't believe he's as good as a lot of your fans think either. there's no doubt nutt screwed up some at arkansas but not bad enough to deserve the treatment. as far as petrino, evaluating his pro career is pointless to determine if he's a good college coach. you can point out lots of good college coaches that sucked in the pros. holtz, spurrier, saban, and carroll.

jlow wrote:

lewindha wrote:I'm not gonna try to sort out the quote mess up there.

No way is Petrino a top 5 coach. Paterno, Bowden, Carroll, Tressell, Saban, in no particular order. That's five right there I named without thinking. I'm sure I could think of 5 more, more accomplished head coaches. So you may want to rethink that top 5/10 things.

I do think that Petrino is a good coach and I think Arky will be competitive under him. How far he takes them we'll see. All that being said, I think I could coach a Big East team to a BCS bowl. There have been arguments since the ACC merge that the Big East shouldn't even be in the BCS anymore. That should tell you what people think of the Big East.

I don't know who you're a fan of, and I won't begrudge you that fact that many people think Petrino is a great coach. But Arky fans won't acknowledge what the entire World is saying about Nutt, so we like to give them *beep* about Petrino. We really could've found out what kind of coach he was this year had he stayed in Atlanta. They made the playoffs, maybe he could've taken them farther if he's so great. But he quit, so we'll never know. So we'll wait and see what he does at Arkansas.

i get what you're saying but you're talking cumulative coaching accomplishments. i'm just saying, if you want to hire a coach right now to rebuild a program or take your team to another level, paterno or bowden are out right off the bat cause they might not make it that long. i think tressel, saban, meyer, petrino, carroll, paul johnson, and stoops are some of the top coaches right now off the top of my head. so yes, there are "more accomplished" coaches but you wouldn't exactly hire them now either.

i get what you're saying but it's hard to eliminate a conference from bcs when it normally has 3-4 ranked teams. i think you'd have to look at eliminating the acc and big ten also.

i don't really like to get into who i'm a fan of cause it always makes football discussions more difficult. i understand wanting to give arkansas fans crap. nutt wasn't near as bad as they say but i don't believe he's as good as a lot of your fans think either. there's no doubt nutt screwed up some at arkansas but not bad enough to deserve the treatment. as far as petrino, evaluating his pro career is pointless to determine if he's a good college coach. you can point out lots of good college coaches that sucked in the pros. holtz, spurrier, saban, and carroll.

I get what you're saying about Bowden and Paterno. I'd still rather have them than Petrino. And I can easily think of 10 coaches that I'd take over Petrino. I'd probably take those 10 coaches over Nutt, too, so don't accuse me of drinking the kool-aid.

As for the Big East, they've improved for sure. But all this talk about them not deserving the BCS bowl was happening when Petrino actually took Louisville to a BCS bowl. We can argue about this all day long. But I won't take away the fact that he has been to a BCS bowl. But look at the Orange bowl this year. A 2 loss Cincy team, who I'd venture most of the SEC could beat and got doubled up by OU, and a 4 loss Va Tech. That is one week bcs bowl game and a Big East team is involved.

Texas Tech deserves to go to a better bowl than those two teams. Such is the BCS.

i'll agree with your point about the bcs but it's not like virginia tech really deserves to be there with 4 losses either. unfortunately, it's the system we have.

whether you like him or hate him, most reasonable people will agree that petrino is an offensive genius. the main knock on him is will he stay?? it's gotten to the point now that i think it's a non issue. he can't afford any further hit to what reputation he has left and i read on another board that he'd have to pay out like 8 million dollars if he left so i seriously doubt he has a foot out the door. he'll be there at least 5 years probably and it should be interesting to see. it'll take him a couple years to build up the talent levels as the cupboards were bare to say the least but it appears he's doing a pretty good job. it should be interesting.

jlow wrote:he'll be there at least 5 years probably and it should be interesting to see.

Assuming AR doesn't run him off first. What if he doesn't win? Better yet, what if someone gets hold of his phone records and doesn't like who he texts or calls? Never underestimate the PI abilitiies of a hog fan.

jlow wrote:i'll agree with your point about the bcs but it's not like virginia tech really deserves to be there with 4 losses either. unfortunately, it's the system we have.

whether you like him or hate him, most reasonable people will agree that petrino is an offensive genius. the main knock on him is will he stay?? it's gotten to the point now that i think it's a non issue. he can't afford any further hit to what reputation he has left and i read on another board that he'd have to pay out like 8 million dollars if he left so i seriously doubt he has a foot out the door. he'll be there at least 5 years probably and it should be interesting to see. it'll take him a couple years to build up the talent levels as the cupboards were bare to say the least but it appears he's doing a pretty good job. it should be interesting.

I assume you are an Arkansas fan, or atleast watched a few of their games. First, the cupboards were not left as bare as Ark fan wants to think. Three of your main defenders, Fairchild, Ernest Mitchell, and Antwain Robinson, are the equivolent or almost to their Hardy, Jerry, and Palmer. Unfortunatly these upperclassmen whom were big contributors even in 06 did not buy in to Petrino and that was a major problem. Early in the Bama game 1 of those guys was getting in the backfield quicker than Ole Miss's line did.

Petrino never adapted the offense to the players strengths but rather installed his system. I was concerned with his inability to get a second tailback ready. Do you think Nutt would have only had 1 dependable tailback by Kentucky game? I also don't think if Nutt coached Ark for 08 he gets blown out in a name your score game at home against Bama or TExas, wins by combined 5 pts to two d2 caliber schools, loses to Mississippi state or even Ole Miss had anyone other than Nutt gone to ole Miss. Had Petrino gone to Ole miss his top 2 defenders may be non-factors like at ark, as well as Oher going NFLing last year (according to Oher, he came back b/c he wanted to play for Nutt).

Petrino made several rookie coaching errors but I think the worst was the fade pass with 3:20 left up 7 in the Tulsa game from their 25. He went for the Td, got the interception on 3rd and 1 with Tulsa no timeouts. Had Petrino elected to go for firstdown, the game is over, yet a touchdown in that situation still gives a quickstrike offense like Tulsa the ability to get the ball back with 3:20 left and score twice. Petrino has a long way to go to prove to me he's a competant SEC coach b/c running the table in a shi+ conference against highschool defenses and inexperinced or can't hack it at the SEC level coaching staffs is not enough.

In closing, I guess when you compare coaches and their strengths some are better for certain situations than others. Louisville, you can see by looking at their bball program, a decent coach means they easily win their league, or at least did in the last conference they were in. Same goes for football. They had geographical access to the talent, and a coach that could run a certain system sort of like you see at Tulsa that you can recruit well to and punish inferior competition. Now, Petrino is in an underdog role at Arkansas b/c recruiting base and resources considered Ark should normally be in the bottom 1/3 of the SEC if all other coaches in the league are doing a good job. Nutt proved he was a good underdog coach and could keep scores close against the league giants even in losses and so far Petrino has yet to prove it.

I'm predicting 8-4 or 9-3 in '09. We will win at least 8 games with that schedule and could win one or two more. SC, Alabama, LSU will be tough games to win, and also (believe it or not) Arkansas. Who knows what will truly happen with those four games? I've seen Nutt pull out a lot of wins against teams that "should have won", but it's also been the other way around many times......and every game's important. Opponents will be taking us more seriously next year.