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[WildRebel]

Sure, nothing wrong with being disappointed with a loss. I'm always disappointed when we lose. But, I find what you're saying very contradicting. How is "showing progression" not about exectations? You expected to beat Auburn, that is very clear because you labeled it a "should have" win. I guess you don't believe Auburn has EXPECTATIONS either. They gave us everything they had and won the game. Keep in mind as its been pointed out, they have better talent, at home, and Ole Miss playing on the road for its third straight game. If you've every played ball, you will know how tough that can be. I find it somewhat amusing how people only want to look at one side of things and start the blame game when things don't go as EXPECTED. Please explain why Auburn should have been marked down as a win....

[Rebchuck18]

I'm not gonna say we're going the wrong way after two games. Bama is Bama. But, the playcalling in last two games has not been good overall. And, yes, we should've beaten Auburn. Look at the stats. We beat them just about everywhere, but the scoreboard. Our mistakes beat us. And Freeze himself said before the game that we are ahead of where HE expected to be.

What did he say after the game? Because I would have said the same before the game. The preparedness and play calling in this game looked much more like Vandy of last year than Vandy, Texas or even Alabama of this year. That is what I mean by regression and going the wrong way.

[WildRebel]

I'm not gonna say we're going the wrong way after two games. Bama is Bama. But, the playcalling in last two games has not been good overall. And, yes, we should've beaten Auburn. Look at the stats. We beat them just about everywhere, but the scoreboard. Our mistakes beat us. And Freeze himself said before the game that we are ahead of where HE expected to be.

2 things here:

1. You're basing your should have beaten Auburn over the stats. So, do you mean, basing off just stats, we should have won? Or, do you mean we should have beaten them because we are a better team and this was conceived before the game? I agree 100% that we COULD have won minus a few plays that didn't go our way, but hines sight is 20/20, but I'm not buying the we're the better team

2. Not sure what you mean by the Freeze statement. And don't think you knows what he truly meant either.

[lewindha]

1. I don't know what game you were watching, but we lost by a touchdown and 2pt conversion. We dropped six passes, got cute with a first down inside the 5, missed some reads on offense, and couldn't tackle a guy on defense when we knew what was coming. We beat ourselves and that is not the sign of a team that is progressing.

2. People are talking about our expectations when Freeze himself said he felt like we're ahead of schedule. I'll bet you if you ask him, he'd say he thought we should've won that game.

[WildRebel]

The same dam game you were watching. Again, based off what you are saying, I agree that we should/could have won the game. My issue is with the comments that basically say we should have won based on the simple fact that we are a better team, or that Auburn is inferior to us. Take away that "cute" comment and those reasons can revert back to the talent level(I know some will argue coaching to fit their argument).

You don't know Freeze's expectations though. From what I've heard from him, he's basically been saying what he said last year and trying to make everyone aware of where we are as a program. So, like you say, I don't know what game you were watching, but I saw a team that is progressing, but I also watched another team that has progressed the same that found a way to win which is why games are played, nothing is given and no, Auburn is not a program that we "should" have beaten before that game.

[lewindha]

The same dam game you were watching. Again, based off what you are saying, I agree that we should/could have won the game. My issue is with the comments that basically say we should have won based on the simple fact that we are a better team, or that Auburn is inferior to us. Take away that "cute" comment and those reasons can revert back to the talent level(I know some will argue coaching to fit their argument).

You don't know Freeze's expectations though. From what I've heard from him, he's basically been saying what he said last year and trying to make everyone aware of where we are as a program. So, like you say, I don't know what game you were watching, but I saw a team that is progressing, but I also watched another team that has progressed the same that found a way to win which is why games are played, nothing is given and no, Auburn is not a program that we "should" have beaten before that game.

Yes. They are. You agree we should/could have won the game, but b/c they are Auburn and bought a national championship 3 years ago we shouldn't expect to beat them. That doesn't make sense to me. Auburn as a program in their current state are inferior to ours, IMO(or at least I thought that before the game and still feel that should've been the case). Historically, heck no.

You don't know Freeze's expectations either. I'm telling you my opinion and you yours. But, you act as if I have no clue and you're in the inner circle. If so, say so, and I'll shut up.

I didn't see the same team I saw against Vandy and Texas.

[WildRebel]

The same dam game you were watching. Again, based off what you are saying, I agree that we should/could have won the game. My issue is with the comments that basically say we should have won based on the simple fact that we are a better team, or that Auburn is inferior to us. Take away that "cute" comment and those reasons can revert back to the talent level(I know some will argue coaching to fit their argument).

You don't know Freeze's expectations though. From what I've heard from him, he's basically been saying what he said last year and trying to make everyone aware of where we are as a program. So, like you say, I don't know what game you were watching, but I saw a team that is progressing, but I also watched another team that has progressed the same that found a way to win which is why games are played, nothing is given and no, Auburn is not a program that we "should" have beaten before that game.

Yes. They are. You agree we should/could have won the game, but b/c they are Auburn and bought a national championship 3 years ago we shouldn't expect to beat them. That doesn't make sense to me. Auburn as a program in their current state are inferior to ours, IMO(or at least I thought that before the game and still feel that should've been the case). Historically, heck no.

You don't know Freeze's expectations either. I'm telling you my opinion and you yours. But, you act as if I have no clue and you're in the inner circle. If so, say so, and I'll shut up.

I didn't see the same team I saw against Vandy and Texas.

I agree they should/could have won the game based on their play alone, I didn't look at this game as a sure win before hand. I disagree that they are inferior to us, past or present. What makes them inferior? If you think we have more talent, then I don't think you're being honest with yourself.

No, I don't know Freeze's expectations no more than you but you brought up what he said, not me. IMO, you took it out of context. I do know he's stated MANY times to media and his own players that he is not where he wants to be.

You didn't see the same team because you saw them playing a better opponent plain and simple.

[bbqit]

can we still go 7-5 like I thought at the beginning of the season? its a body of work that determines whether we are progressing or not. there will be off games. its why teams like bama lost one game last year. I can't stand what happened cause I wanted 4-1 so bad. it would have been great hype for the next 2 games but since it didn't I look back at where I thought we would be this time of the year. I remember saying we could be 1-3 after the first four games very easily. we are not. being on the road since sept 7 takes a toll on folks. maybe its nothing more than it caught up with them. lets see what they bring to the table against atm. they lost in such a strange way last year they have to have them on their mind for this year.

[MageeRebel425]

The same dam game you were watching. Again, based off what you are saying, I agree that we should/could have won the game. My issue is with the comments that basically say we should have won based on the simple fact that we are a better team, or that Auburn is inferior to us. Take away that "cute" comment and those reasons can revert back to the talent level(I know some will argue coaching to fit their argument).

You don't know Freeze's expectations though. From what I've heard from him, he's basically been saying what he said last year and trying to make everyone aware of where we are as a program. So, like you say, I don't know what game you were watching, but I saw a team that is progressing, but I also watched another team that has progressed the same that found a way to win which is why games are played, nothing is given and no, Auburn is not a program that we "should" have beaten before that game.

I dont have time to explain all the reasons we did not progress in that game... I am sure if you asked a coach, they would admit we did not progress as a result of that game.. Progression is, were we a better team after the game than before it... Penalties, drops, wrong reads, missed assignments, and pitiful tackling, tells me no.... Again, Vegas said we were 3 points better at their joint.. That means we are -6 at the house.. Vegas doesnt get caught up in hype machines, the media, or recruiting classes.. They are in the business of making money and being as scientific as they can about a game... Sometimes they are wrong, but lets not act like people expecting to beat Auburn was just foolish, and we were all looking through red and blue glasses.. Getting beat Saturday didnt have jack to do with depth or a talent gap.. We got schooled defensively by a WR or DB playing QB because we missed a ton of tackles and assignments on a read option. Not because we were gassed or they dominated the flow of the game.. (We actually won T.O.P. by 5 minutes) As terrible and as inconsistent as we were, after studying the game, I think we would have won if C.J. Johnson was healthy... Again, In no way am I saying fire anybody or that CHF has not done a great job, but there were some disturbing trends that were on display last Saturday.. If you think everything is wonderful, I suggest you take off your red and blue glasses..
With all that said, I am moving on from the Auburn game.. I hope being home will do wonders... This week will test our resolve..

[WildRebel]

Sure, there are things you can prove that they did wrong but I can also point out tons of things that they're doing better. I stand behind every player that puts on that uniform, but if you can't admit or believe there is a talent gap between Ole Miss and MOST teams we play, then I think you need to remove the red and blue glasses. I say this because talent equals football smarts. Some players can be taught and some play off raw athletic ability.

Not even going to go into your vegas odds.

[lewindha]

Sure, there are things you can prove that they did wrong but I can also point out tons of things that they're doing better. I stand behind every player that puts on that uniform, but if you can't admit or believe there is a talent gap between Ole Miss and MOST teams we play, then I think you need to remove the red and blue glasses. I say this because talent equals football smarts. Some players can be taught and some play off raw athletic ability.

Not even going to go into your vegas odds.

So after that game, what are they doing better?

[MageeRebel425]

Sure, there are things you can prove that they did wrong but I can also point out tons of things that they're doing better. I stand behind every player that puts on that uniform, but if you can't admit or believe there is a talent gap between Ole Miss and MOST teams we play, then I think you need to remove the red and blue glasses. I say this because talent equals football smarts. Some players can be taught and some play off raw athletic ability.

Not even going to go into your vegas odds.

As much as I appreciate the football talent babel.... I'm well aware of the role talent plays.. I actually have a degree in coaching and do it for a living.. So I promise you, I understand talent and lack therof.. Talent means a lot at every level, especially the lower levels, but if talent is remotely close, that is where coaches can determine wins and loses...I am curious, what have we consistently done better over the past 2 weeks? Again, stuff happens.. I love CHF, but I also have to call it like it is... I saw things last weak that are not debatable, absolute regression, call if lack of consistency if it makes you feel better. I am not trying to jump on you, but people see things from different perspectives.. Maybe you are Nick Saban 2.0, but a lot of people are giving bold opinions and acting like people are bad fans who don't see things exactly the same way.. Or for stating things that seem obvious them.. Maybe some of us dont know what we are talking about.. Maybe I am fraud myself... At any rate, I am late for practice myself..

[WildRebel]

Sure, there are things you can prove that they did wrong but I can also point out tons of things that they're doing better. I stand behind every player that puts on that uniform, but if you can't admit or believe there is a talent gap between Ole Miss and MOST teams we play, then I think you need to remove the red and blue glasses. I say this because talent equals football smarts. Some players can be taught and some play off raw athletic ability.

Not even going to go into your vegas odds.

So after that game, what are they doing better?

Answer my question to you and I'll be glad to point out a few things they are doing better.

I flat out don't understand how people don't realize the last 2 games were against far better teams than the first 3. Its as simple as that. We're not as good as the record showed in the first 3-4 weeks. No, Auburn is not elite, but they are better than people want to give them credit for. Going in to that game, we had a shot to win but it wasn't a given. Just because we lose a game against a similar opponent doesn't mean we regress. Going by that standard we shouldn't lose again, and 18-19 y/o kids making mistakes doesn't equate to regression. This team fights and doesn't give up. In the past, we would have laid down if we were down by a field goal. I truly believe we could have beat Bama and then lost to Auburn by 1 point and the same crap would be flying around. Like the old saying goes "Give'em an inch and they want a mile".

[WildRebel]

Sure, there are things you can prove that they did wrong but I can also point out tons of things that they're doing better. I stand behind every player that puts on that uniform, but if you can't admit or believe there is a talent gap between Ole Miss and MOST teams we play, then I think you need to remove the red and blue glasses. I say this because talent equals football smarts. Some players can be taught and some play off raw athletic ability.

Not even going to go into your vegas odds.

As much as I appreciate the football talent babel.... I'm well aware of the role talent plays.. I actually have a degree in coaching and do it for a living.. So I promise you, I understand talent and lack therof.. Talent means a lot at every level, especially the lower levels, but if talent is remotely close, that is where coaches can determine wins and loses...I am curious, what have we consistently done better over the past 2 weeks? Again, stuff happens.. I love CHF, but I also have to call it like it is... I saw things last weak that are not debatable, absolute regression, call if lack of consistency if it makes you feel better. I am not trying to jump on you, but people see things from different perspectives.. Maybe you are Nick Saban 2.0, but a lot of people are giving bold opinions and acting like people are bad fans who don't see things exactly the same way.. Or for stating things that seem obvious them.. Maybe some of us dont know what we are talking about.. Maybe I am fraud myself... At any rate, I am late for practice myself..

Nick Saban 2.0??? Whats that? So, I'm the one giving bold opinions for sticking up for our coaches and players and quite honestly telling the truth. No one is expected to have the same opinion, but I find some on this board get VERY defensive. Take away the loss and I guarantee none of this "regression" talk is happening, it would all be about how far this team has come and how much they are doing correct. Naturally as fans that's what we want, but its true.

[lewindha]

Your truth. Doesn't mean it's THE truth.

I'll answer your question if I know which one you're talking about.

And, yes, Auburn is a better team than last year. But, to say they are far better is a really, really big stretch. Especially considering we lost by a touchdown, we were favored, and you yourself agree we shoulda/coulda won.