Wow...

[Hagar]

Jon Gruden released by Bucs today... reckon where he will end up.

Which College is looking to upgrade coaching staffs now for the big bux!

Someone is going to cough up a pretty penny to snag him.

[ReservoirReb]

Ole "Chucky" shouldn't be unemployed for long unless he wants to be.

[parrotreb]

I don't know about any college that still needs a coach, but the firing has to make Jerry Jones say hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Gruden would be a step up from Phillips but Chucky might actually lapse into into his nickname and kill Jones in a particularly gruesome fashion. I like it.

[Hagar]

I don't know about any college that still needs a coach, but the firing has to make Jerry Jones say hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Gruden would be a step up from Phillips but Chucky might actually lapse into into his nickname and kill Jones in a particularly gruesome fashion. I like it.

I wish the giants would hire Gruden...Coughlin always looks like his Cheerios have molded in the box!

[fis]

that cowboy thought is interesting. The Bucs did not start struggling this year til it was determined Kiffen was leaving. they went from about 9-3 to 9-7.

[JeremyReb]

that cowboy thought is interesting. The Bucs did not start struggling this year til it was determined Kiffen was leaving. they went from about 9-3 to 9-7.

cowboys could make a run at him if garret gets the st. louis job

if not, wade phillip's and garrett's contracts (and possibly TO's) would probably be too much to buy out

[parrotreb]

that cowboy thought is interesting. The Bucs did not start struggling this year til it was determined Kiffen was leaving. they went from about 9-3 to 9-7.

cowboys could make a run at him if garret gets the st. louis job

if not, wade phillip's and garrett's contracts (and possibly TO's) would probably be too much to buy out

You have to be kidding. Jerry is moving into a 1 Billion dollar stadium with a declining fan base, he needs to pump energy into the team. Who has a better chance to do that, Wade and Jason or Chucky? Wade and Jason's contracts aren't considerations. Buyouts there may run $10 million, maybe. TO's is more problematic, but nowhere near big enough to constitute a run on Jerry's cash.

The problem is whether Jerry will step aside and cede enough authority to make it even remotely interesting for a decent football coach.

[Heath]

that cowboy thought is interesting. The Bucs did not start struggling this year til it was determined Kiffen was leaving. they went from about 9-3 to 9-7.

cowboys could make a run at him if garret gets the st. louis job

if not, wade phillip's and garrett's contracts (and possibly TO's) would probably be too much to buy out

Jerry is moving into a 1 Billion dollar stadium with a declining fan base, he needs to pump energy into the team. .

Just spoke with my mother who lives in Ft. Worth and she said they are having a more difficult time than expected selling season tix. I, personally, think it is hillarious because I absolutely hate the Cowboys and I think Jerry is Satan on earth.

[rewalters]

I don't know about any college that still needs a coach, but the firing has to make Jerry Jones say hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Gruden would be a step up from Phillips but Chucky might actually lapse into into his nickname and kill Jones in a particularly gruesome fashion. I like it.

Interesting, might be fun to witness.

However, if Jerry retracts and scalps Phillips, I think Shanahan will be top of the list.

[JeremyReb]

that cowboy thought is interesting. The Bucs did not start struggling this year til it was determined Kiffen was leaving. they went from about 9-3 to 9-7.

cowboys could make a run at him if garret gets the st. louis job

if not, wade phillip's and garrett's contracts (and possibly TO's) would probably be too much to buy out

You have to be kidding. Jerry is moving into a 1 Billion dollar stadium with a declining fan base, he needs to pump energy into the team. Who has a better chance to do that, Wade and Jason or Chucky? Wade and Jason's contracts aren't considerations. Buyouts there may run $10 million, maybe. TO's is more problematic, but nowhere near big enough to constitute a run on Jerry's cash.

The problem is whether Jerry will step aside and cede enough authority to make it even remotely interesting for a decent football coach.

it may be surprising to you, but the buyouts for Wade and Garrett are much more than "considerations"....they're deal-breakers. Jerry's non-football business ventures are not stellar right now.

TO buyout is the least problematic of the 3 because Jerry would actually like to keep him and let him operate in a west-coast offense (it's Steven and Garrett that want to get rid of TO).

Jerry's not going to buyout Wade and Garret....just not going to happen.

[parrotreb]

Jerry may not drop the axe on Phillips and Garrett, but it won't be because he is hamstrung by their contracts. They both make approximately $3 million a year. The total, assuming no present value for an early buyout, may be over the $10 million I mentioned above, will not pose a problem for Jerry, if he wants to hire another coach. EDITED TO ADD: Garrett will likely be hired somewhere else so his contract amount falls to 0.)

TO's contract is problematic, not necessarily because of its dollar amount, but its cap structure, if he is cut (a little over $9 million if Owens is cut), when coupled with the likely hits for Greg Ellis and safety Roy Williams ($13 million or so). Side note, having to carry the most overrated QB in the league for another 5 years will be an albatross for the Cowboys.

Bottom line, Jones needs to do something to kick start a moribund franchise as he opens "Jerryland/Jerryworld/DogPatch West" Excitement of a new coach will put the folks in the seats, concessions lines and finish selling the last suites but, in the end Jerry's ego will not prevent him from letting go in certain areas so he can hire a coach who isn't having to babysit Jerry's belief that talent evaluations are little more than ESPN recordings. And Gruden likely won't answer the phone so long as TO is still in Dallas.

[JeremyReb]

Jerry may not drop the axe on Phillips and Garrett, but it won't be because he is hamstrung by their contracts. They both make approximately $3 million a year. The total, assuming no present value for an early buyout, may be over the $10 million I mentioned above, will not pose a problem for Jerry, if he wants to hire another coach. EDITED TO ADD: Garrett will likely be hired somewhere else so his contract amount falls to 0.)

TO's contract is problematic, not necessarily because of its dollar amount, but its cap structure, if he is cut (a little over $9 million if Owens is cut), when coupled with the likely hits for Greg Ellis and safety Roy Williams ($13 million or so). Side note, having to carry the most overrated QB in the league for another 5 years will be an albatross for the Cowboys.

Bottom line, Jones needs to do something to kick start a moribund franchise as he opens "Jerryland/Jerryworld/DogPatch West" Excitement of a new coach will put the folks in the seats, concessions lines and finish selling the last suites but, in the end Jerry's ego will not prevent him from letting go in certain areas so he can hire a coach who isn't having to babysit Jerry's belief that talent evaluations are little more than ESPN recordings. And Gruden likely won't answer the phone so long as TO is still in Dallas.

TO counts a little over $9M if he's cut, and a little under $9M if he stays ($680k difference). Steven Jones and Garrett want him gone, Jerry wants him to stay. I think he'll stay.

I think Garrett has a good shot at the St. Louis job....and I also think there's something to Stewart just now getting fired. Could be making room for a demotion for Wade (which is really, REALLY hard to believe...just doesn't happen....but Wade's the kind of passive joke of a coach that would accept a demotion like this.)

If Garrett leaves on his own, JJ may cut his losses with Wade. but i repeat, You will NOT see Jerry Jones eat Garret AND Wade's contracts this year, then turn around and pay $4-5M for another coach. It will not happen.

It will not happen.

It will not happen

IT WILL NOT HAPPEN

[parrotreb]

Jones turned in a Mike Lynn like effort in the Roy Williams trade and new contract, so nothing is out of the realm of possibility. When Jerry's ego is on the line, crazy things happen.

Assuming no one will hire Garrett, the total value of Phillips and Garrett's contracts will, in no way, be an impediment to Jones getting a new coach if he decides he wants one.

We have different opinions on this, that's fine. Back to Ole Miss football.

[JeremyReb]

Jones turned in a Mike Lynn like effort in the Roy Williams trade and new contract, so nothing is out of the realm of possibility. When Jerry's ego is on the line, crazy things happen.

Assuming no one will hire Garrett, the total value of Phillips and Garrett's contracts will, in no way, be an impediment to Jones getting a new coach if he decides he wants one.

We have different opinions on this, that's fine. Back to Ole Miss football.

the difference is, you're speaking without knowledge of what's going on. you don't think he would rather have gruden or shanahan than wade? of course he would, it's not even a comparison. yhat's why he contacted shanahan...in case garrett moves on...which hasn't happened yet.

money will prevent it from happening if he doesn't leave



Edit: I would get off this subject, but Gruden is the subject of the thread

[parrotreb]

Jones turned in a Mike Lynn like effort in the Roy Williams trade and new contract, so nothing is out of the realm of possibility. When Jerry's ego is on the line, crazy things happen.

Assuming no one will hire Garrett, the total value of Phillips and Garrett's contracts will, in no way, be an impediment to Jones getting a new coach if he decides he wants one.

We have different opinions on this, that's fine. Back to Ole Miss football.

the difference is, you're speaking without knowledge of what's going on. you don't think he would rather have gruden or shanahan than wade? of course he would, it's not even a comparison. yhat's why he contacted shanahan...in case garrett moves on...which hasn't happened yet.

money will prevent it from happening if he doesn't leave

Your insistence that Jerry doesn't have the money to fire both Garrett and Phillips and hire a new coach tells me all I need to know about what you think you know.

I'm done.