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TCU alum and fan here, the purpose of this post is two fold. First to invite any RebelFaithful to stop by KillerFrogs.com if you want to exchange views on the upcoming Peach Bowl http://www.killerfrogs.com/msgboard/ind ... howforum=4

The second reason was to see if I could get some discussion about where the game is going to be won or lost.
Ok, I know most of the talk has been about which will prevail, TCU's offense which averages 46.8 ppg, vs. the Ole Miss D, which averages giving up 13.8. But, bowl games often don't go as expected with almost a month to prepare, so I want to see how you think the Ole Miss Offense, averaging 30.4 ppg will do against the TCU D, which averages giving up 20.3 ppg.

As an aside, I hope TCU is up for the game and out to prove something because all too often bowl games don't end up being the good match-up you would expect where one team is happy about being in that bowl (Ole Miss from what I've gathered from taking a quick look around the site is happy with the Peach Bowl bid) and one team feels slighted to be there (no knock on the Peach Bowl, but when you are sitting at #3 five days before the final vote and win by 52, it's hard not to be disappointed about going to any bowl that isn't a semi-final game). I am assuming that they get their heads on straight and we are in for a good game.

So, back to my question. Not only is TCU the second highest scoring team in the country this year, but TCU is the only team in the country to score at least 30 in every game they have played. Do I see TCU reaching its average of 47, not likely, but Ole Miss has given up 30 or more twice in their last 3 conference games, so I figure TCU is good for 30 anyway.

So, if you give me my premise, that TCU will score at least 30, does Ole Miss have the offense to score at least 31 against the TCU Defense or do you see Ole Miss winning only if the game is low scoring?

I will field this one and I hope you don't think it arrogant of me when I give my assessment... it is not intended to be a slight on TCU as I know they are a quality opponent and I am tickled pink to see us match up with either TCU or Baylor...I consider both teams equally talented and well coached...with that said:

Ole Miss plays in the strongest division of the strongest conference in the nation and on any given day any team in our conference can beat any other team...one of the strong points of our conference is that we play 8 conference game as part of our schedule and the biggest hallmark of any SEC team is DEFENSE...that means we have played 8 teams out of 10 who wake up playing defense first... and we averaged 30 sum odd points a game against the majority of those defenses...also we have beaten 2 number one ranked teams this year and 3 teams in the top 5...all from the SEC and against those teams that pride themselves on DEFENSE first...of the out of conference games we played we also beat two other conference champions. While Ole Miss might not be the first thing you think about when you think SEC powerhouse due to our wandering 40 years in the wilderness, we have officially arrived this year with the best team we have had in my lifetime and I am 57 years old. Ole Miss will be the strongest team you have faced this year with our vertical passing game and our #1 ranked Defense that held up against Bama's strong running game and MSU's Dak Attack...expect a real battle...I personally think that if TCU brings their A game and refuses to be put away early we will have to win it in the 4th Quarter by beating you will depth and tempo...how much tempo and how early we bring the tempo offense to the game will determine how quickly we can put TCU away. I do not think TCU has enough depth to beat us in this game and I think this will be the difference maker.

Please do not think I am trying to belittle your team... I love the horned frogs... they are probably my favorite texas team. Your coach is one I would love to have coach my Rebels someday...should something happen to Coach Freeze. I am looking forward to an average SEC conference game against TCU...tough but winnable...If I were to put TCU in the SEC I expect their w/l record somewhere around 8-4 to 7-5... I expect the score to be 26-21 OM depending on how many field goals your kicker can get close enough to kick thru.

Please don't think I am being arrogant... I am trying not to be ... this is just my opinion.

Look at our bowl history. TT? Sooners? Look at our bowl history, and see how confident you feel. Like Hagar, our D is going to smack you in the mouth.

tcu is a heck of a quality opponent. i would dare to say our game is better than either the rose or sugar this year.


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tcu screwed our schedule up a few years ago and it left us with two d2 teams to play that year.

we are currently #1 in the nation in bowl % wins. usc is right behind us. don't let them catch up.

we are currently tied with lsu in bowl wins. get ahead of them.

I'm a little worried with both of our best receives out. But, I think the others will step up. I agree with Hagar, that if the game is close we can win it in the 4th. But, if TCU jumps out front at the start, we could be in trouble. They are very fast. I've watched TCU play a couple of times this year and their speed is second to none compared to the SEC, IMO.

If our D has a good game plan and is able to execute that plan early on, I feel good about our chances. Our offense has me worried with key players out, but I think with a month to prepare, we'll be ready.

TCU is a great team on both sides of the ball and we look forward to playing them. Considering the disparate schedules, there is no real way to compare the two teams other than play the game. Anyone from anywhere who makes predictions, regardless of how accurate they turn out to be once the game is played, is taking a shot in the dark. There just is no way to compare the two. I would rather go into this game playing the harder schedule, as we have, since I feel that playing a hard schedule prepares you for big games. For that reason, I feel like if both teams play their very best, as I always hope happens, I believe that Ole Miss will be the victor. Ole Miss could have a bad game, as we did against LSU and Arkansas, but I don't expect it. Both of those games came in the heart of a very brutal schedule. Arkansas was after a bye, but we still had some very key injuries and beaten up guys. Mississippi State and Alabama games are a better indication of what to expect with a properly rested and prepared team. We held both those teams to well below their average (and keep in mind that they have played against the best defenses in the nation) on offense. We also scored more against both those teams than was averaged through the year against them. Mississippi State has one of the best run defenses in the nation and with an offensive line that was finally healthy at the center and left tackle spots, we had a big day in the run game.

In my opinion the game will be one of the best games on TV this year. TCU can put points up and will find ways to score as there is no doubt in my mind about this. Ole Miss will have its hands full with the speed TCU possesses and will have to put a tremendous rush up front to pressure the QB. No doubt TCU has the horses up front to block well too or they couldn't have scored all of the points in the regular season. TCU's defense plays well. The only time they had a probelm this year was when the opponent had speed at WR, slot receiver, and a TE with good hands. It will be a test for Ole Miss to get our receivers open and get them the ball. I am not sure which OL for Ole Miss will show up for this game. With a month off preparing for the game, sometimes that isn't the best thing for a team as you get rusty and lose whatever momentum you had from the previous game. One thing the time off does help though is with any sprains or injuries, they should be healed by the time the game is played. I won't predict a winner as this is going to be a tight game. It should be fun to watch.

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It sure seems like it. And next year we have 10 games in a row without a break.

Hagar wrote:I will field this one and I hope you don't think it arrogant of me when I give my assessment... it is not intended to be a slight on TCU as I know they are a quality opponent and I am tickled pink to see us match up with either TCU or Baylor...I consider both teams equally talented and well coached...with that said:

Ole Miss plays in the strongest division of the strongest conference in the nation and on any given day any team in our conference can beat any other team...one of the strong points of our conference is that we play 8 conference game as part of our schedule and the biggest hallmark of any SEC team is DEFENSE...that means we have played 8 teams out of 10 who wake up playing defense first... and we averaged 30 sum odd points a game against the majority of those defenses...also we have beaten 2 number one ranked teams this year and 3 teams in the top 5...all from the SEC and against those teams that pride themselves on DEFENSE first...of the out of conference games we played we also beat two other conference champions. While Ole Miss might not be the first thing you think about when you think SEC powerhouse due to our wandering 40 years in the wilderness, we have officially arrived this year with the best team we have had in my lifetime and I am 57 years old. Ole Miss will be the strongest team you have faced this year with our vertical passing game and our #1 ranked Defense that held up against Bama's strong running game and MSU's Dak Attack...expect a real battle...I personally think that if TCU brings their A game and refuses to be put away early we will have to win it in the 4th Quarter by beating you will depth and tempo...how much tempo and how early we bring the tempo offense to the game will determine how quickly we can put TCU away. I do not think TCU has enough depth to beat us in this game and I think this will be the difference maker.

Please do not think I am trying to belittle your team... I love the horned frogs... they are probably my favorite texas team. Your coach is one I would love to have coach my Rebels someday...should something happen to Coach Freeze. I am looking forward to an average SEC conference game against TCU...tough but winnable...If I were to put TCU in the SEC I expect their w/l record somewhere around 8-4 to 7-5... I expect the score to be 26-21 OM depending on how many field goals your kicker can get close enough to kick thru.

Please don't think I am being arrogant... I am trying not to be ... this is just my opinion.

I expected talk about defense coming first in the SEC and being proud of the accomplishments of the SEC West this year, those are well deserved. It is always interesting to look at two leagues that play very different styles and see what will prevail. Are the Big 12 teams high scoring because the offenses are so good or because the defenses aren't very good? Are the SEC defenses as good as they look statistically or is it because the SEC generally less of a high scoring quick strike league? No surprise that you feel like your schedule would prepare you for big games, I'll give you that, and Ole Miss has played some of its best ball in some of its biggest games, which is a good sign generally going into a bowl game.

What did surprise me was your comment about beating TCU with tempo. Other than rooting for Ole Miss in the egg bowl (given that we were no. 5 behind Miss St at that time all Frogs were Ole Miss fans that week), and watching most of a repeat of the Arkansas game to see what happened there, I haven't seen Ole Miss play this year but tempo would not have been something I associated with your team, so I took a look at the statistics. Hard to judge tempo without putting a clock on the team to see how many seconds between snaps you take, so I just looked at plays run on offense per game. It is not a perfect stat but it does tend to fit with who plays up tempo.

Baylor leads the nation running on average 88.67 plays per game and W Vir is second running 85. TCU is No. 7 running just over 80 per game. TCU's D was really hurt by tempo only once this year and that came at the end of the Baylor game in which they ran 109 plays. By contrast Ole Miss ran an average of 70 plays per game which wouldn't rank the top 1/2 of the Big 12 in plays per game and ran 80 or more plays in one game this year. So while the Ole Miss offense may spring some big plays (which frankly is where TCU tends to get beat given their high risk-high reward style) I don't think that tempo will be where TCU gets beat on D. Looking forward to seeing how it plays out.

Ole Miss has the up-tempo in the repertoire, they haven't used it much, if at all, this year. Last year, we used it a lot more. We're 9-3, losing to Auburn and LSU by a combined 7 points. I don't think anyone can totally explain the dumpster fire that was the Arkansas game. Given that, personally I don't see why we'd use it when NOT using it has worked well for us this year. That's my 2 cents.

we have tempo and have used it much more in the past but this year we slowed the game down considerably to allow for our QB Bo Wallace more time to think apparently (Bo seems to throw more interceptions going tempo). If Defenseive depth is a concern for TCU and our Running game is hampered by TCU going heavy package we will see lots more of it...if we have any success running the ball then the game will slow down... substitution relief for TCU's D will be a high premium regardless...when we send 4 wide deep every down and throw to our TE's the Corners for TCU will be give out by the 4th I imagine...all of our WR's have near Amari Cooper capabilities...but our TE's have been the most deadly for us...everyone seems to have 1 maybe 2 good corners but nobody has 4 and the time to substitute against us. Our success will be reside with Bo Wallace...if he has a good night we will win by 21 points... if not it will be close. Your offensive success will not be an issue because if we can weather the rest of the SEC west we can weather TCU as well.

i think we ran up tempo two plays all season. auburn and lsu were last play of the game losses. actually bama and Ole Miss were in the exact same position at the end of the game with lsu, given a 3 second difference, but bama made the play work. treadwell doesn't have his leg broken on the tackle at the end zone at the end of the game and we aren't discussing auburn. as for ark, turnover turnover turnover turnover turnover turnover, we had more total yards, more first downs, a better 3rd down conversion ratio, less penalties and less penalty yards. granted some of those stats are close but 30-0 isnt close at all. they took advantage of every mistake we made so hats off to them for being heads up.

The Treadwell leg break is what kept us out of an NC this year


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fenderman wrote:The Treadwell leg break is what kept us out of an NC this year


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Last year, 'our offense completely changed for the worse b/c Engram got hurt'. I'm sorry I don't buy either of these. IMO, if they are true, then our coaches aren't doing a good job. If one player, that is not the qb, can bring the whole thing down, then Freeze isn't doing a good job.